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Hot Girls Wanted. Documentary on Teens in Porn.

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INickedAName Wed 03-Jun-15 14:15:39

Hot Girls Wanted.

This 2015 Sundance Film Festival breakout documentary from producer Rashida Jones spotlights the “amateur” porn industry and the women it exploits

I watched this documentary yesterday, and wondered what others thought of it. ( it's grim viewing and not work friendly)

I found it alarming. The thought that 40% of online porn features abuse and that the number one search term for porn is "teen" worries me. One if the girls is choked on a penis and large plastic penis until her eyes are bloodshot and she vomits, she's then told to eat the vomit with her face pushed in it. How can anyone be aroused by that? It's frightening.

Their descriptions of their experiences are saddening. I'll copy my posts from the pub, but I just wondered what others who watched the documentary feel about it, and how teenage girls in porn are treat.

nameChangeQueen Wed 03-Jun-15 14:19:21

Where can it be viewed? The youtube account you've linked to is closed.

I'm shocked about that 40% figure.

INickedAName Wed 03-Jun-15 14:24:58

It's on Netflix at the moment. I'm not sure if it's viewable anywhere else, I'll have a google.

My initial post from yesterday

*Has anyone watched Hot Girl Wanted that is currently on Netflix? It a documentary about the increasing number of young girls (mainly 18/19) and follows an "agent" and his girls, who specialises in new girls and their first shoots.

After the first few shoots they are no longer new, so lose "value" and then either have to go into more "niche" work, or go home.

It's saddening to hear one of the young girls talk about the boost of confidence she gets when men tell her they want to fuck her

I was shocked to learn the the amount of monthly visitors to porn sites exceeds the number of visitors to Amazon, Facebook and Netflix (I think it was those three) combined.

The whole thing is saddening really, many of the girls say they are happy and want to choose etc, but every now and then you see them looking sad, or reflecting on what they are about to do, and look terrified sometimes. I want to scoop them all up and get them out of there.*

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest Wed 03-Jun-15 14:30:09

I've seen it on the Recently Added section of Netflix. I couldn't bring myself to watch it, mostly because what you've described doesn't particularly surprise me.

From what I understand of the development of the porn industry, I think desensitisation has caused porn to go beyond titillation into gratifying men who want to see "bitches put down". It's shocking and upsetting and it makes me worry for the girls in the films, the boys/men watching them and the impact it will have on women who have to deal with the consequences of such skewed behaviour.

PersonalClown Wed 03-Jun-15 14:34:14

It's on Netflix. I plan on watching it later.

INickedAName Wed 03-Jun-15 14:34:17

The video is still on youtube if you search "hot girls wanted". The ones that are almost two hours long are the full documentary.
I don't know if I should post links here, as I dint know if the other was pulled due to the content or for copyright, but can send PMs.

shaska Wed 03-Jun-15 14:56:09

You can get a free one month trial on Netflix if you haven't used it before.

Will watch and report back. But for starters, what confuses me endlessly is that the idea of 'desensitisation' makes people want to watch more abusive acts. I don't see a natural progression there unless sex is in itself viewed as a mildly abusive act? Do you know what I mean?

I just feel like there must be another reason why people want to watch girls being, for want of a better word, abused. Depressingly I suspect the reason is less palatable than being 'desensitised'.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest Wed 03-Jun-15 15:21:34

shaksa I don't think that everyone graduates on to watching worse porn, but I think for people who are curious, the "excitement" of watching something wears off and they start looking for more.

I also think there is something about porn that reduces people to their basest instincts - alongside the horrendous, violent misogyny there is also a terrible racist stream of porn. I don't know why this is but they seem to go hand in hand.

Mide7 Wed 03-Jun-15 15:46:45

I haven't heard of this film, sounds interesting but grim. That 40% stat is shocking.

OP why does "teen" being one of the most searched words concern you? Out of interest.

TheBlackRider Wed 03-Jun-15 16:10:14

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shaska Wed 03-Jun-15 16:23:48

But this is what I find confusing, or maybe I'm being an idiot.

If you are excited by watching sexual acts, cool. Most people are. But doesn't it say, if being 'desensitised', by watching lots of sexual acts means you shift into watching abusive acts, that what you were really enjoying was something else? Either that you see sex in itself as a degradation of women, or that what you were in fact getting off on was the idea that watching sex is 'bad' or 'illicit'. And so you need to find things that are more illicit. More taboo.

Which ok yes, the illicit is a big part of sexuality. But even then, with the wide range of options for 'more taboo' then why is it that the default is stuff that looks like abuse of women?

I mean, there's an obvious answer - that that is what is wanted. But I don't see an obvious 'well of course once you've watched all the regular porn you're going to want to watch girls vomiting'. It's not like mountainclimbing where you want to climb the highest mountain. It's like mountainclimbing and then instead of climbing everest taking up heroin, or something. Bad analogy.

I just don't see 'desensitisation' as the reason for the porn that looks like abuse. But as I said I might be being a complete idiot and missing the point.

TheBlackRider Wed 03-Jun-15 16:24:41

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TheBlackRider Wed 03-Jun-15 16:33:42

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Mengog Wed 03-Jun-15 16:46:23

It's an interesting documentary. The money is the only reason the girls do it. I know some said they do it because they "like sex" - I didn't buy that.

I watched another documentary about drug dealing and the similarities are striking. A lot of young men from poor backgrounds looking to make quick cash. Both high risk environments in there own way. Some make it to the top and get out, some go to prison or are killed. In porn the consequences and scars are more psychological.

You can see how certain girls would find it attractive. Unemployed, poor home environment to earning £25,000 in 6 months, living in Miami, riding in flash cars etc.

TheBlackRider Wed 03-Jun-15 16:52:56

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Mide7 Wed 03-Jun-15 17:48:19

I think I know what the replies will be to this but I don't see why bringing up the money thing is relevant. Lots of people endure jobs they don't like for the money. Altho obviously not everyone gets abused.

TheBlackRider Wed 03-Jun-15 18:28:31

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WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 Wed 03-Jun-15 19:03:48

Good post theblackrider.

If the question is why do men watch it, the answer is because they like it.

Why they like it is the question that has the very uncomfortable answers.

FWIW lots of young men find clips of women doing degrading things / having degrading things done to them hilarious. Degrading things in a sexual context. I know lots of men who would share clips of revolting stuff and laugh at it, when I was younger. I would hope they have grown out of it. Why do they do it in the first place? Shock factor ,bonding over "gross stuff", bonding over what is being done to the women? Don't know. Actually DH is here some of his friends had form for this I will ask him. Anyway they were looking at it in the pub, it was a group thing, they weren't sitting at home wanking over it AFAIK. So some of it will be for that audience.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 Wed 03-Jun-15 19:09:30

DH has not been very helpful!

He says he doesn't really know but generally it's probably the combination of an attractive woman with no clothes on and combined with something "extreme". And also gives an excuse for them to look sort of "I'm looking at this weird / gross thing and oh look there happens to be a naked hot woman there".

However. I'm not sure I buy this. His friend who had form for this I'm not about to ring up and ask! I've worked with young men who did this a lot as well (and ended up getting reprimanded).

However that is an aside, I imagine that most of it is produced because a worrying amount of men like to see women sexually degraded and humiliated. Not talking consensual bdsm type stuff here, you look at the titles and the whole point is degradation / pain etc. The whole language around it is about inflicting pain / damage. Asserting male dominance I guess is what it boils down to.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 Wed 03-Jun-15 19:11:51

Didn't phrase that very well. The whole point is degradation / pain for the women and that they don't like it.

If they liked it then that would be a different type of film and the way they are described would differ. Lots of "mainstream" porn utilises words that say men are hurting women here, come and have a look.

Is there a market for films where men just beat women up in a straightforward manner, without the sex?

Mide7 Wed 03-Jun-15 19:17:07

Fair enough TBR, I see your POV.

Im sure The question to why some people like abusive/aggressive porn has some uncomfortable answers but it also has some straight forward answers. People will get off on all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons, not all of them are because they want to humiliate women. Same way as some men love having a "mistress"
I'm not trying to defend the porn industry at all but to tar everyone who likes a certain type of porn is dangerous IMO

almondcakes Wed 03-Jun-15 19:17:20

I don't really see the distinction between BDSM and degradation and pain.

Bondage, domination, sadism and masochism.

Isn't it inflicting degradation to dominate someone?

Doesn't sadism mean to enjoy inflicting pain?

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 Wed 03-Jun-15 19:19:53

Mide this is mainstream porn we are talking about. Not niche stuff. Not "a certain type of porn". Bog-standard, front page of the more famous porn sites, headline on mainstream videos with mainstream stars. The words around this are frequently laced with violence, humiliation, degradation, pain, damage.

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