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Can I ask your thoughts on this article?

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Sallystyle · 29/03/2015 16:42

It's quite long but some may find it interesting

The Real 'Everyday Sexism' is Against Men

www.breitbart.com/london/2015/03/24/the-real-everyday-sexism-is-against-men/

There is a debate on FB and I am not smart enough to tackle it but interested in your views if you have the time to read it.

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Vivacia · 29/03/2015 16:47

It exhumed and shamed long-forgotten masculine desires felt by millions of us as we set off on our paths of sexual awakenings.

Heaven forbid that the objectification of women stand in the way of men and their orgasm.

Where's the celebration of success and achievement within women's tennis? Oh, fuck it, let's just show a woman's bottom.

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Vivacia · 29/03/2015 16:50

purse-lipped, disapproving matron.

Ah, nice touch.

It was almost like Everyday Sexism were claiming most British men have been inexorably sexist from age seven, when most of us first saw it on a bedroom wall of an older sibling or school pal.

Far better that most women be inexorably objectified from age seven? I saw it as a child, before I had a sexual identity. Along with many, many other such images. What does it teach girls about the role of women in sport, society and during sex?

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Vivacia · 29/03/2015 16:52

(I didn't last much longer).

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avocadotoast · 29/03/2015 17:01

Ex-editor of Loaded, whatta surprise.

I don't even really know where to start with this. It's classic derailing, putting a "smaller" women's issue against a "bigger" men's one to try and show that feminists are being petty.

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OddBoots · 29/03/2015 17:03

So many issues in one article.

In some regards I agree with him, there needs to be more investigation and support regarding mental health including male mental health and it could well be that prostate cancer care is underfunded. My local football club has been very involved in supporting prostate cancer awareness and support and in doing so has drawn attention and funding in much the same way Race for Life has boosted women's cancer support and awareness.

That doesn't mean that the poster and the general objectification of women is acceptable in modern times, the reduction in assaults could well be attributed to a change of social attitude to woman, the passing of the age of the Carry On, Benny Hill and many would say Page 3.

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Sallystyle · 29/03/2015 17:04

Thank you.

I wanted to chime in with my opinion but didn't know where to start really. While I have obviously always been a feminist I am very new to divulging into it deeper, if you know what I mean.

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thatstoast · 29/03/2015 17:06

Yes, I read the whole piece and when I saw he was Loaded's longest serving editor it all made sense.

The non violent abuse thing is ridiculous. Imy favourite but us this, regarding a reduction in violence against women:

So while there’s always room for improvement, we’re significantly better-behaved men than we were even in 1993.

What? Do men want a pat on the back for raping less?

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thatstoast · 29/03/2015 17:14

Also, regarding prostate cancer, it's an old man's disease. In a lot of cases the treatment is worse than the cancer. Dh's grandfather had it , aged 91, and to be honest it was the least of his problems.

It would be great if there was more help available for those suffering with MH problems.

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Vivacia · 29/03/2015 17:17

What on earth are people saying on FB? "Yeah, feminists are killing men with cancer"?

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caroldecker · 29/03/2015 17:18

Surely prostate cancer charities are less funded than somes others because men do not organise charity fund-raising, which women's charities are quite good at.

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StillLostAtTheStation · 29/03/2015 17:20

I find it very hard to get worked up about Tennis girl poster. I don't particularly like it but I didn't particularly like the men in boxers Levis ads or the Diet coke ads. I'd put all 3 on the same level of irritation, with the Diet cokes ads as the worst.

I think he has a fair point about the apparent lack of interest in illnesses that can only affect men.

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Vivacia · 29/03/2015 17:22

Nobody has to decide between rights for women and more publicity for prostate cancer.

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Feckeggblue · 29/03/2015 17:22

Prostate cancer is slow spreading, relatively easy to treat and affects mainly elderly men. It
Doesn't need more money/ resource as far as I am aware. It's just what about-itus

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Onetwothreeoops · 29/03/2015 17:23

What jumps out at me most is how he is trying to connect the everyday sexism movement to men committing suicide and dying from cancer. It doesn't make sense to do that but from the gleeful comments below you can see there are people just glad to have an excuse to stick it to the evil feminists.

Also, why are there no links to stats to support his claims about the sexual assaults because they certainly don't sound anything like other stats I've heard about.

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Sallystyle · 29/03/2015 17:23

Basically Vivacia

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StillLostAtTheStation · 29/03/2015 17:29

Carol I think that's a bit simplistic.

As for the "it's an old man's disease" -really how callous. My mother was succesfully treated for breast cancer at 75 and unsuccessfully for leukaemia at 79- would you say she shouldn't have been as she was an old woman?

From the prostrate cancer web-site - Prostate cancer mainly affects men over 50, and your risk increases with age. The average age for men to be diagnosed with prostate cancer is between 70 and 74 years. If you are under 50, your risk of getting prostate cancer is very low. Men under 50 can get it, but it isn’t common.

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Feckeggblue · 29/03/2015 17:34

It's not that still lost, it's that many men getting it are of an age where they already have health problems more serious and pressing than prostate cancer.

FIL had it last year, 74 and nothing else wrong with him. Prostate removed within 2 weeks, regular testing to make sure it hadn't spread, which it hadn't. Ward full of men in the same situation.

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ChopperGordino · 29/03/2015 17:49

"the real everyday sexism is against men"



yes, and the real everyday racism is against white people. what a load of clickbaity crap, just to help those who hold privilege feel a bit better about the fact that they are a group that has benefited from the oppression of others. there are men's issues within that piece that are worth discussing without the "waaah, i want to objectify women and feminists won't let me" nonsense.

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Blistory · 29/03/2015 18:03

It's a bit difficult to take him seriously when he blames the fact that men are dying on sexism.

No, they're dying because men appear not to give a fuck about other men. They're killing themselves because men are not providing them with support, because they're apparently not real men if they don't perform masculinity, because apparently real men don't get depression or go to the doctors. Yet again men are the problem but much easier to blame women, instead of admitting that men are largely responsible for the damage done to both men and women.

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BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 29/03/2015 18:13

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AbortionFairyGodmother · 29/03/2015 18:29

The rule of thumb I have always heard is that 90% of men 90 and up have prostate cancer, and that it's a slow enough cancer that men over 85 are not treated for it: statistically, they're much more likely to die of something else than a cancer that takes 15 or more years in an elderly person to kill you.

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PuffinsAreFictitious · 29/03/2015 18:41

Thing is of course, that all CALM or any other male specific charity needs to do is ask the successful women's charities what helped them. I have no doubt they would help, they just won't do it for them. Good to know Daubers is going to be helping to promote and fund them both.

Not sure I've met a single feminist who thought it was a good thing that the male suicide rate is so high, in fact, I know some who are or have actively worked to help stop that. As Buffy says, it's not women's fault that they do this, it is the kind of toxic masculinity which says that men who ask for help are weak, and isn't helped by the endless media hype about how everyone with MH problems are a danger to society and just need to go for a run. Who owns and runs the media?

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YonicScrewdriver · 29/03/2015 19:27

"Cancer Drugs Fund in England axed the new drug Jevtana – even though it was said to give patients at least three extra months of life. "

NICE makes that kind of decision all the time. All the time.

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