Shia LeBouf rape,sexism at its fineist.

[FayKorgasm]

My facebook is full articles about Shias rape. I am so sorry he went through this. However not one article mentions his clothing at the time,alcohol consumption,past partners,whether he knew the person. Not even "rape" or alledged rape. Pick up any article about a woman talking about her rape and it is full of what she was wearing etc.
Fucking deprressing really.

[CelesteToTheDance]

Most of the comments I've read were angry about him minimising the reality of rape by claiming that someone coming in and having sex with him (assuming that even happened) as being rape. It's not rape when he's sitting there, completely silent and not giving any indication he doesn't want it, not pushing her off, saying no or calling for help from his security who were at the door.

That's not fucking rape and how dare he claim it is.

[listed]

How can you say "assuming that even happened" with a straight face??

If you said that about a woman who said she'd been raped you'd be ripped to bits.

A man can't legally be raped in England anyway. It would be indecent assault (unless the law has been changed since I was studying a long time ago)

[FrauHelgaMissMarpleandaChuckle]

Listed - the law has indeed changed in England. A man can be raped.

[MrsRaegan]

He didn't give consent...

Had a man done that to a woman in the exact same situation, what would you call it then?

[listed]

Fair enough.

Does "I believe you" only apply to women then?

[Thehedgehogsong]

I thought that about the reporting! So he did nothing to 'bring it on himself?' Unlike us silly women who walk about owning vaginas.
He did not agree to have sex, consent is not the absence of a no, it's the presence of a yes!

[scallopsrgreat]

A man can't be raped by a woman in the UK as rape requires a penis.

I'm hoping Celeste was being ironic .

[PuffinsAreFictitious]

Only men can rape under English law. This was sexual assault.

I believe him.

[Wishfulmakeupping]

Yy to what mrs said

[listed]

Didn't sound ironic.

What he do, out of interest? Sorry I haven't really read much about it. Did he try to stop her? Or could he not move as part of the art installation thing?

[chockbic]

Fwiw I don't think that kind of assault or rape is taken seriously either.

Maybe if a man had raped him. Who knows?

[FrauHelgaMissMarpleandaChuckle]

But a man can be raped by another man legally

[CelesteToTheDance]

I can say assuming it happened because it likely didn't. Most of the 'visitors' to his exhibition were journalists and they described the security they had to get through to even get in to the room with him. He has a history of saying untrue things to get publicity.

If it did happen, he invited people to come in and do whatever they wanted to him. He didn't say no, reject her advances or call his security who were at the door. It's not rape if you don't tell someone to stop ( unless you're passed out or too drunk to consent), it's not rape if you give no indication that you don't want it and no it's not rape if there are people a few feet away charged with protecting you and you don't bother calling them.

He could have easily said no, pushed her off, alerted his security, he didn't. So no, not rape. Stop trying to redefine it to being something that is easily stopped by opening your mouth. It isn't, real rape isn't something the victim can stop, if they could they would and that is why it is so horrific and the threat of it so terrifying. He could have stopped it any time and he didn't. That's consent.

[listed]

I think you're wrong Celeste.

[scallopsrgreat]

"It's not rape if you don't tell someone to stop" Nope. Not true.

[CelesteToTheDance]

If you can tell someone to stop and you don't, then it's not fucking rape. Ffs, he's not a child, he's an adult who is perfectly capable of saying no and/or calling his security. There was no reason for him to allow her to have sex with him if he didn't want it. Not being a mind reader doesn't make anyone a rapist.

He's a compulsive liar though so who knows if this woman even exists. If word had gotten through to the line as he says it did, it would have been all over the internet when it happened because nearly all his visitors were journalists looking for a story!!!!!

[FrauHelgaMissMarpleandaChuckle]

Celeste - can I suggest you read up on what happens during rape. Before you come out with any more drivel.

[ClawHandsIfYouBelieveInFreaks]

*Celeste" what disgusting comments!

[chockbic]

In answer to Fays point, or make comparisons to leaving a door open in his house!

[CelesteToTheDance]

My comments aren't disgusting. They're reality. Stop trying to turn rape into nothing more than sex that can be easily stopped by telling the other person they don't want it. A rapist won't listen to no, they won't stop, most people will but you have to let them know because they're not psychic. He didn't give any indication he didn't want it, didn't say no, push her off or call his security.

Huge difference between that and an unconscious person taken advantage of or someone violently raped.

[listed]

Celeste can you really not imagine a case where a woman is too intimidated/scared to say no?

Consent requires an action - a "yes" or something else clearly meaning that's it's ok.

Lack of a no is not consent. Wise up.

[chockbic]

It must be difficult to speak up for a man, as there seems to be a different stigma.

[FrauHelgaMissMarpleandaChuckle]

Celeste - I hope you find this helpful

www.rapecrisis.org.uk/rapeampsexualviolence2.php

[MrsRaegan]

How do you know that if he had said no she would have stopped?!

There was no consent!

[TheWildRumpyPumpus]

I do find the reaction to Celeste a bit strange on this thread.

Shia set up this 'art' show. Tells people that they can come in and 'do whatever they like to him'. He won't speak to them or react. He has security right outside the door and a long line of people waiting to come in (including his own girlfriend).

I believe him that it happened, and since he is in a relationship he probably wishes it hadn't. BUT he had already stated upfront that people could do what they wanted and he wouldn't stop them. He could have done though, right?

Supposedly his girlfriend came in afterwards and they just sat and looked at each other sadly. Which is even weirder in my mind - like he's saying she knew he'd been raped and yet he still stuck with his art installation thing. Odd.