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Not All Porn: Why the good parts don't matter

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AskBasil Tue 21-Oct-14 22:48:27

This is one of the best articles I've read about porn. It just says everything so well

stoppornculture.org/2014/10/21/notallporn-why-the-good-parts-dont-matter/

MyEmpireOfDirt Tue 21-Oct-14 22:56:04

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scallopsrgreat Tue 21-Oct-14 23:14:33

Oh that's good. Thanks Basil. I especially like the first bit where he just strips out the images and leaves the words and asks the simple question - is this how we speak about other humans? It's so clear and so obvious at that point what porn is about.

Sabrinnnnnnnna Tue 21-Oct-14 23:29:11

NAPILT - excellent new meme.

As a mother of boys and a girl - the boys fast approaching teenage years - online porn is something I feel both anxious about, and powerless to do anything about.

It is degrading, it is violent against women - it is not something I want any of my dc seeing - certainly in their early teens, before they've even experienced the real thing. I think the article about porn hijacking sexuality is very good too.

Sure, boys had always sought out Mayfair, Page3, M&S underwear catalogue etc - but it really is only in the last decade that such explicit/violent/misogynistic material has been available on a quick google search - I do think it's damaging to those exploited by the industry, and those boys/men/women/girls exposed to it.

Thanks Basil.

Scarletohello Wed 22-Oct-14 00:50:39

Excellent article. And heartening that it's written by a man.

ElephantsNeverForgive Wed 22-Oct-14 01:04:22

Excellent article it's a load of waffle, that could have made it's point in one paragraph!

justiceofthePeas Wed 22-Oct-14 01:14:04

It is a good article although I think it swims against an enormous tide. sad
How did it ever come to this?

YonicScrewdriver Wed 22-Oct-14 06:51:50

Thanks.

PumpkinGordino Wed 22-Oct-14 08:53:10

thanks, will read when not on work computer

turbonerd Wed 22-Oct-14 08:54:59

Å good article. It is sickening how porn is justified. It is the height of selfishness.
I think he got that point across very well.

ElephantsNeverForgive Wed 22-Oct-14 09:27:33

It's a very good point, but he made it in the first paragraph, the rest of the article was totally unnecessary.

MrsBuffyCockhead Wed 22-Oct-14 10:23:16

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MrsBuffyCockhead Wed 22-Oct-14 10:24:00

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IdealistAndProudOfIt Wed 22-Oct-14 13:01:58

I don't think the rest of the article was unjustified, because you need to repeat and repeat and repeat to get it through the target mens' thick skulls!

It was well-written too.

PumpkinGordino Wed 22-Oct-14 13:08:11

i don't think the rest of the article was surplus to requirements either. you have to support your statements and explain your reasoning. otherwise most articles would be only as long as a twitter post with no reason for anyone to consider the background of the statement

NeoFaust Wed 22-Oct-14 13:09:09

but ask yourself, how much of a pornography industry would there be if men were all cosmically barred from masturbation while they watched?

I wonder if he realises he's just described strip clubs?

They seem to be doing okay.

And yes, free speech, no censorship, my girlfriend is more extreme than I am. His argument is poor.

MyEmpireOfDirt Wed 22-Oct-14 13:13:47

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PuffinsAreFicticious Wed 22-Oct-14 14:44:01

He's probably not all that keen on strip clubs either, given that they also exploit women for the all powerful men's orgasm.

Could be wrong though, maybe he's only worried about exploitation and violence, racism, abuse and misogyny when it's filmed. Doubt it....

QisforQcumber Wed 22-Oct-14 15:35:53

Thank you AskBasil, I know a few people(women and men) who will find that article interesting.

"We generally consider rape, abuse, humiliation, racism, misogyny, and degradation to be among some of the worst things in the world, and these are all things the pornography industry is overflowing with. "

^This is exactly how I feel about the porn industry. Those words made me think of when I watched 12 years a Slave and felt physically sick. It was a deep, visceral reaction which made me feel shame, horror and sadness. I don't understand how anyone could find these actions a turn on. I know that people do but I will never, ever understand.

grimbletart Wed 22-Oct-14 15:48:09

Good parts of porn? Now there's an oxymoron...

AskBasil Wed 22-Oct-14 17:51:48

Which part of his argument did you find poor neofaust and on what grounds?

That your girlfriend likes porn?

How does that negate his argument?

OutsSelf Wed 22-Oct-14 17:58:55

Great article I thought.

Isn't hate speech the counter to the freedom of expression/ speech argument? It's neat in that I don't have to make an argument that the individuals concerned are harmed through the production of porn, but that I am harmed because violent and misogynistic porn is hate speech against me as a woman

OutsSelf Wed 22-Oct-14 18:02:39

Yikes, that read slightly coldly... I should say I do regard the production of porn as damaging to the individuals concerned, but their apparent agency in that is used to nullify that argument

justiceofthePeas Wed 22-Oct-14 18:49:22

neofaust is your gf a dumb whore, pussy or ghetto bitch? A slut? Or any of the derogatory terms used in porn film titles and would you stand there while someone called her any of those things and defend their right to free speech. (Not that I am saying she is not capable of defending herself)
I am basically asking if you are comfortable referring to your partner in that kind of way? Or your mother or your daughter for that matter.

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