The recent thread started by a MRA....

[Hakluyt]

....Does anyone understand why it has been zapped? Surely we have just played straight into their hands?

[AnnieLobeseder]

I agree.

[Indigui]

Which one, this one? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2180544-Why-are-feminists-so-threatened-by-the-MRA-movement

[Zazzles007]

Yep, the thread seems to be locked. You can't post anymore on it, but its still there.

[Hakluyt]

Not any more- people are posting on it.........

[LurcioAgain]

I would guess it's because His Supreme Logicalness (sorry, Its Supreme Logicalness - it refused to divulge its sex) put that thread up on Reddit and we're about to have an invasion. Hopefully Mumsnet have locked it rather than deleting it, because I'd hate to see the meme of Inigo Montoya lost forever.

[PetulaGordino]

i agree

and the coining of "mortifying dickhead"

[PetulaGordino]

in addition to the really thoughtful and clear responses which at lurkers have said they found really useful

[LineRunner]

I wanted to save OutsSelf's fascinating and analytical posts about f-on-m dv but I can't because I'm on a poxy kindle. Hope it's just locked.

[Hakluyt]

Yeah, well, deleting the thread isn't going to stop the invasion. We can deal with that, surely.

[Hakluyt]

This is what they are saying "over there"
"
Well that confirms it, I was banned from Mumsnet and the thread I created is going to be deleted, even though I made no personal attacks on any of the posters, and tried to the best of my ability to ground all my arguments in logic and evidence. As some of the posters there have already noted, that rather proves my point about legitimate grievances with modern-day feminism. Either agree entirely with our form of gender equality, or you'll be banned."

[LineRunner]

Bless him, he really is a mass of internal contradictions.

[gincamparidryvermouth]

He was so spectacularly self-satisfied. Imagine sitting at the table next to him in the pub, holding forth in his cravat, getting ID'd every time he went to the bar.

[Indigui]

I felt sorry for him. I think he just wants to be accepted, really. Its all coming out sideways into "logical debate".

I'll SHOW them how reasonable I can be, then they'll like me...

They aren't being too accepting to him on reddit either (www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2g02gs/as_an_mra_are_you_also_a_feminist/ IYAI)

Bless his socks.

[PetulaGordino]

indigui it reminds me of my friend's brother, who when he has an argument with his girlfriend, will get a piece of paper and write down the points of his argument in numbered form. it drives her bonkers, because he clearly emphatically believes that if she doesn't agree with him, it's because she doesn't understand, so if he can only set out his argument so that she can see his reasoning she will get it.

he is a lawyer. i don't know if this makes any difference

[AnnieLobeseder]

The whole "Us vs Them" of it is very sad. Yes, I know MRAs do and say some awful things. And many of them hate women. But you know, to some extent I agree with poor Voix - it's tragic that there is so much animosity and misunderstanding between the two groups. We have our views on MRAs, they have their views on feminists. Pretty much all of that they think about feminism doesn't reflect reality. So the reconciliatory side of me would like to think that a lot of what we think about MRAs isn't true.

But then again, I have been on the receiving end of MRA threats when I speak out about feminism, so I know that at least for a very vocal part of the movement, the woman-hating trope is true.

As has been said before, feminism continues to believe the best of men despite all evidence to the contrary. I feel like that about what happened here today. Some of us were completely derisory towards Voix. And while he was misinformed on many issues, he did remain unfailingly polite and rational (in his own way) in the face of some actual abuse from feminists.

I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - trying to reconcile some muddled thoughts that are rattling around in my head. Two conflicting opinions - if they're so wrong about us and our intentions, maybe we're just as wrong about them. But then - "I hope you die in a fire" doesn't leave much room for misinterpretation, does it?

[gincamparidryvermouth]

he did remain unfailingly polite and rational (in his own way) in the face of some actual abuse from feminists

In my opinion his entire approach was abusive and repulsive. "Explain rationally, calmly and clearly to me why I should stop treating you like complete shit" is not my idea of polite. Black people get this a lot, I think: "explain to me why you think you should have the same rights as me." Why the fuck SHOULD anyone in that position "explain nicely"? I'm a fucking human being. I will not be told to state my case for being treated like one. Fuck him, and fuck that.

[PetulaGordino]

i'm afraid i read the "politeness" as disingenuous. i wasn't polite i freely admit, but some of his posts directed at me were entirely passive aggressive, full of assumptions and wilfully missing the point

i do understand what you mean about misunderstandings between the two groups. but i can't get on board with MRAs that won't acknowledge the key problem of male violence, and they just won't, however "reasonable" their responses

[gincamparidryvermouth]

Or this, basically: www.patheos.com/blogs/sarahoverthemoon/2013/07/privilege-oppression-being-nice/

[gincamparidryvermouth]

And I think our mate read and memorised the "derailing using intellectualism" link from this site: www.derailingfordummies.com/

[BecauseIsaidS0]

You know, when in first moved to the UK, I was amazed at how polite everyone was compared to my Mediterranean country of birth where we swear like truckers just to ask for a coffee.

Took me a while to realize that I was sometimes getting insulted, in very polite wording.

This is what Voix was doing. I am sorry that you lot cannot comprehend my very logical, well reasoned arguments. If only you could put your evident anger issues aside, you'd see the light and agree with me, the voice of reason. It only makes sense that it don't even bother listening to your side of the conversation.

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

Well, on a personal level I'm sad it's gone because I've been out all day and got no further than posting to place mark, and I'm sure it was very funny.

But they should delete this stuff, IMO. Not doing so and talking about how we can 'take it' is just propping up the idea that it's women's job to spend time patiently educating all and sundry.