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Feminist Pub X: Regulars and new faces welcome, consciousness raising is a possibility.

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CaptChaos Sat 30-Aug-14 00:33:26

The old pub now has less than 10 posts to go, so I thought I'd start a new one. The old one can be found here

This is a place for feminist pom pom waving and talking about stuff which might not need a thread for itself.

Fill your boots.

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CaptChaos Sat 30-Aug-14 11:00:32

Of course!

Did you have fun?

PetulaGordino Sat 30-Aug-14 11:44:25

Thanks capt and welcome home buffy

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy Sat 30-Aug-14 12:09:56


LRDtheFeministDragon Sat 30-Aug-14 12:13:29

Hello! Welcome home buffy. I missed you.

StormyBrid Sat 30-Aug-14 12:39:22

Waving hello for ease of finding thread later.

AnnieLobeseder Sat 30-Aug-14 13:13:29

Hmm, I posted earlier but it appears to have vanished. Anyway, here I am in the new pub....

UptoapointLordCopper Sat 30-Aug-14 14:38:06


Where have you been buffy? We only camped once this summer, and it was during the hot and dry period.

Have just been tidying up garden. Quite satisfactory, pulling entire long-rooted weeds out. And giving lavender a haircut - magazine today says lavender is like toddler and needs haircut or else it would sulk. My experience of toddler says if you give toddler a haircut both you and toddler would sulk. hmm

OutsSelf Sat 30-Aug-14 15:56:17

Hello all, welcome back Buffy.

I just ranted incoherently on R4 AnyA about the Rotherham situation being a problem of male violence. It was not my most reasoned response, I was shaking with rage and surprisingly nervous as I am actually a lecturer in showing off. But at least I said it.

My DP argued with his sexist mum last night while I put our children to bed. He was ace and got as wobblingly irate as I do in such situations. It is definitely not our gender that causes tears of rage but the dismissal of our position on that basis.

JustTheRightBullets Sat 30-Aug-14 16:47:10

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TheDeathOfRats Sat 30-Aug-14 16:48:45

Hi, I'm new smile

LRDtheFeministDragon Sat 30-Aug-14 16:52:20

Hello! smile

OutsSelf Sat 30-Aug-14 17:18:11

Hello! A most excellent moniker, DoR

scallopsrgreat Sat 30-Aug-14 17:18:47

Hello Buffy <waves>

Can I just say that I am shocked by that roaccutane thread. How can so many women be happy with being controlled and treated like a child like that. Being forced to use a hormonal contraceptive & the possibility of required pregnancy tests (I haven't got that wrong have I?), I mean WTAF?? Even before I took the blue pill that would have seemed wrong on several levels. And as fir the possibility of being raped. Women are now in a state of pre-pregnancy and pre-rape now are we?

<Disclaimer: only read about the first page>

scallopsrgreat Sat 30-Aug-14 17:20:11

I am shocked it is even a thing that a woman could be forced to take contraception before other drugs are prescribed full stop.

scallopsrgreat Sat 30-Aug-14 17:21:15

And Hi TheDeathofRats smile. Couldn't agree more!

LRDtheFeministDragon Sat 30-Aug-14 17:34:47

I'm really shocked by that too. And furious. It's very clear to me: she's a lesbian, and she'd abort a foetus in the vanishingly unlikely event of her becoming pregnant by rape.

It reminds me of someone I know, who was called in for her smear for the first time, and the nurse really struggled, then told her off for checking the box on the GP registration form to say she was sexually active. Apparently, she should have said she wasn't sexually active, because she was 'only' having lesbian sex and that didn't count.

I realize there's a medical issue there, but how difficult would it have been to ask if she'd been having penetrative sex?

StormyBrid Sat 30-Aug-14 17:39:35

There seems to be some confusion on the roaccutane thread - is contraception compulsory, or just very strongly advised? Because if you can just sign a waiver as discussed on that thread, then I can't see any major problems - am I missing something?

And since when did "sexually active" mean "partaking in PIV"?

LRDtheFeministDragon Sat 30-Aug-14 17:46:11

It seemed clear to me that you can sign a waiver - several people (who, if they are who they claim to be, should know) have said so.

I must say, as well, IMO it's morally wrong to force someone to take unnecessary contraception just because you're weighing up the possibility of eventually being sued enough times to need the drug taking off the market. I really don't like that argument at all.

And I've no idea when sexually active became that, no!

scallopsrgreat Sat 30-Aug-14 17:48:38

I thought the dermatologist never gave the OP the option of signing a waiver? Haven't read all the posts though.

Tbf to mathanxiety she made a good point that the doctors are probably digging their heels in about this because of male behaviour. But that's in a way worse. Recognising that men will cross women's boundaries. Not do anything about that, instead make women deal with the consequences. We definitely live in a patriarchy. Just in case any of you were having doubts grin

LRDtheFeministDragon Sat 30-Aug-14 18:11:54

No, but other people (both someone who seems to be a dermatologist and people who've had the treatment, if I am reading right) said they'd had them.

I agree with you it's worse.

PetulaGordino Sat 30-Aug-14 18:32:22

I couldn't articulate a coherent response on that thread so I just read it agog

vezzie Sat 30-Aug-14 18:49:53

pint of adnams and a packet of ready salted please

PenguinsIsSleepDeprived Sat 30-Aug-14 21:55:32

I said on the old pub that I could see a teeny tiny kernel of a point about the contraception rules. Being that if you accept them in general (which I can kind of see. Many serious drugs have other compliance requirements in terms of tests on other bits of your body. And far better for the woman to realise something has gone wrong with contraception at 4 weeks than much later, given the catastrophic consequences) you can see why it would be difficult to opt out. People are famously prone to not disclosing information which paints them in a 'bad' light (alcohol consumption, whether they are cheating on their partner, etc). But, being hard to opt out should not be the same as it being impossible.

And the rape argument. I just have no idea where to being with the million things wrong with that.

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