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Moral maze

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blackcats73 · 25/06/2014 08:00

The moral maze on radio 4 is about anominity and sex crime



www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qk11/broadcasts/upcoming


Maybe worth a listen?

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scallopsrgreat · 25/06/2014 11:23

Ending Victimisation & Blame have tweeted: "As an organisation, we'd prefer a Moral Maze program on why so many men commit rape & lie about it since that's the real problem"

Pretty much sums up my position on this.

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whatdoesittake48 · 25/06/2014 15:19

Because they don't think it is rape...they aren't "rapists", just got carried away.

As far as anonyminity (sp?) goes - it should be the choice of the woman. The man should have his details revealed when he is convicted. I can't see any other way around it.

That said, other crimes don't wait until conviction...

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scallopsrgreat · 25/06/2014 15:35

I disagree. I think they do know that they wouldn't take no for answer. They may not call it rape but they knew they intended to penetrate the woman with or without her consent.

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BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 25/06/2014 17:18

"That said, other crimes don't wait until conviction"

Exactly. The "special case" in sexual crimes (which can indeed be applied in other cases where the courts deem it appropriate) is that one of the witnesses to the crime, ie the victim, has the right to anonymity. This is because of historic, and unfortunately not just historic, "shame" that attached to being the victim of such a crime which didn't apply to being a victim of, say, burglary or GBH.

This always seems to get forgotten.

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FloraFox · 25/06/2014 18:26

With the staggeringly low rates of conviction in cases of rape, it is not possible to say whether any one man is a rapist who got off, was falsely accused or it was a case representing the mismatch between the woman's lack of consent and the man's reasonable belief in her consent. However it is possible to say from the statistics that a large proportion of the men who are not convicted are actually rapists and almost all of the women who make complaints of rape did not consent to sex.

In light of this, it seems obvious that steps need to be taken to increase the level of conviction to obtain justice for the women who have been raped and nothing is done about it. It is telling however that there is this usual rush to demand anonymity for a group of men, most of who are actually rapists.

I find it particularly despicable that the reason given for anonymity is that the women get anonymity. This is a typical MRA position commonly taken up by liberal men. It ignores the structural inequity that gives rise to the problem and focusses on the rights of individual men and a determination to demand a formal equality that actually perpetuates oppression. It reminds me of this:

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SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 25/06/2014 22:03

During this evening (amongst such mundane things as made dinner for the family, got children to bed etc) I have:

-Listened to the second half of the moral maze
-Read the comments on the Feminazi Stole my Icecream video (love the video, of course, it is the definitive answer to every MRA argument going)
-Watched half of another anti-feminist vid (by a vile loud-mouth) on YT that was prompted from the Ice cream one, and read some of the comments.

I just want to hide from the internet forever now.

Never has the quote "women have no idea just how much men hate them" been so clear.

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CaptChaos · 25/06/2014 22:50

Why Sabrina?

Why did you mention the comments?

I had had a nice day where I almost believed that no men hated me, but now I know they do, and for no other reason than that I am a female.

The saddest part of those comments was that one of the most vitriolic commentators identified as female. You could almost see the spittle flecking her monitor. she didn't seem very bright though

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BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 25/06/2014 23:33

Mesdames, Mesdames, never read the C words!

They.'re mostly posted by cuntwombles Grin

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JustTheRightBullets · 26/06/2014 07:55

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SwerfAndTerf · 26/06/2014 21:00

I was thinking earlier about various scandals relating to institutions, such as the media and the NHS, and the way people generally understand that it is very difficult for whistleblowers to come forward as they face constructive dismissal, personal ostracism and accusations of malicious intent. Maybe we should start referring to rape victims as whistleblowers rather than accusers.

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