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As a Feminist, would you struggle living in a country like prostitution??

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ICameOnTheJitney Tue 29-Oct-13 21:56:33

Before I begin, please don't think this is an Australia-bashing thread. It's DC are half Australian and parts of the country I love.

BUT.....I am currently considering the possibility of living there in a couple of years. The realisation that prostitution is legal in some states..all? While brothels are not legal in some but are in others....this upsets me.

In Adelaide there is a yearly "Sex Exhibition" or some such thing where I assume they sell sex aids and other things related to the industry goes on.

This all puts me off...wasn't till' I joined MN about 5 years ago that I learned why prostitution is a bad thing...and why...I always thought, if it's a woman's choice then why's it bad? But now I know the most are victims of abuse and other things...I'm thinking abuot the country my daughters will grow up in....can I cope with that as something that's an intrinsic part of the place?

Backonthefence Tue 29-Oct-13 22:03:01

Prostitution is legal in the uk.... I'm guessing you have lived here for a while?

WhentheRed Tue 29-Oct-13 22:27:39

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MaeMobley Tue 29-Oct-13 22:33:53

I would assume it being legal would give greater protection to the workers. But I do not know about this, just an assumption.

Twistiesandshout Tue 29-Oct-13 22:34:45

I'm Australian and really struggled (still do) with page 3 and the fact uk girls sometimes aspire to page 3 glamour crap. It was such a shock when I first saw a half naked teenager, young woman in an everyday paper. There are many many issues around sexualisation/prostitution etc in both countries I don't think that issue should contribute significantly to where you choose to live.

AutumnMadness Tue 29-Oct-13 22:38:00

I think a feminist would "struggle" to live in any country. Let's see . . . Ireland - abortion is illegal. UK - victimising poor single mothers is a national sport. USA - maternity leave is virtually non-existent. Former Soviet Union - if you are not married by 25, you are not just left on the shelf, but all the way in the back of the fridge. Sweden - probably something. Saudi Arabia - enough said.

Compared to most of the word, Australia is really not bad at all. Patriarchy is global. Unfortunately, space travel is not advanced enough for us to organise some feminist planet elsewhere.

amothersplaceisinthewrong Tue 29-Oct-13 22:41:40

No, wouldn't struggle with that would struggle in Saudi Arabia or any country where women have to cover up and get segregated from men

DixonBainbridge Wed 30-Oct-13 08:24:20

Prostitution is legal in most of Europe too, the UK is almost an anomaly in that the act is legal, but it's the "financial" & "procurement" side that isn't.

A lot of feminists originate from & live in these countries, it certainly hasn't stopped them.

imip Wed 30-Oct-13 08:30:56

If prostitution isn't legal, it will only drive it underground. In my area of london, prostitution exists. I am also australian, the fact that there are page three girls here still shocks me to the very core. As autumnmadness says, a feminist would struggle in any country....

differentnameforthis Wed 30-Oct-13 08:44:00

In Adelaide there is a yearly "Sex Exhibition" or some such thing where I assume they sell sex aids and other things related to the industry goes on.

There is nothing wrong with sex! It sells sex aids, not sex. Is that against feminism too?

And (as a UK expat living in Oz) I won't tell what my friends think of page 3!!

Beachcomber Wed 30-Oct-13 09:38:06

Yes I would struggle to live in a country which endorses state sanctioned sexism and gender inequality such as that which is intrinsic to the institution of prostitution.

I would prefer to live in a place that treats prostitution as violence against women and girls and a barrier to gender equality.

Beachcomber Wed 30-Oct-13 09:39:07

And I hate page 3 too although I don't live in the UK.

MurderOfBanshees Wed 30-Oct-13 09:39:52

Sure we have a yearly "Sex Exhibition" in London too, at least we used to..

LittleRobots Wed 30-Oct-13 09:43:08

I was surprised in Melbourne how open adult shops and strip clubs where in the main stret. Near me it would be much more secretive. I initially found it quite hard but got used to it!

I don't think boy one country will be perfect and you'll focus on the differences wherever you move.

Callani Wed 30-Oct-13 11:20:03

Legal or not, prostitution will sadly always exist in the world as there will always be a demand for it and there will always be men and women in a desperate enough situation to supply it.

Legalisation actually helps to protect prostitutes more and reduces abuse. Brothels actually go further to helping protect the men and women selling their bodies as it gives them a safe space, rather than reducing them to getting into random cars on back streets. Legalisation of prostitution has therefore been done to PROTECT the men/women rather than to encourage/sanction the industry.

Obviously that doesn't help you much when prostitution upsets you but chances are you won't even see it unless you're seeking it out and I'm sure that the Sex Exhibition (which is probably harmless) will be just as easy to avoid. I wouldn't personally let it stop me moving to Australia, maybe Amsterdam though...

SinisterSal Wed 30-Oct-13 11:25:07

There are threads here with opposing facts on that Callani if you are interested. Lots of evidence which disputes your assertion. I don't want to derail this thread just pointing it out if you are interested.

Jitney I suspect you'd be better off in Iceland tbh grin

EBearhug Wed 30-Oct-13 21:45:30

Sure we have a yearly "Sex Exhibition" in London too, at least we used to..
The Erotica fair was in London over this weekend just gone. There is a lot there which feminists can feel rightly annoyed by, but there's nothing wrong with sex and enjoying sex per se.

And that's London, not Adelaide, so you don't have to travel half way round the world if you want to be upset by things like that. There will be something in every country.

runawaysimba Wed 30-Oct-13 22:02:24

As a feminist I'd be more worried about the new PM, who holds views that would be hilarious if he weren't running the country. Tony Abbott quotes

Bunnylion Wed 30-Oct-13 23:16:07

There's not many places where you can shelter your daughters from the patriarchy but you can do your very best to help them understand it.

Goshannegorilla linked this on another thread, it's a bloody as world we live in.

EBearhug Wed 30-Oct-13 23:29:12

As a feminist I'd be more worried about the new PM, who holds views that would be hilarious if he weren't running the country.

I have a friend who used to work in the same place as him a couple of decades back. She said what gets into the press is the least of it.

runawaysimba Thu 31-Oct-13 01:52:35

EBearhug that doesn't surprise me. The treatment Julia Gillard got at the hands of him and his mates was disgusting. I will always admire her for calling him out on it.

specialsubject Thu 31-Oct-13 13:08:01

good luck finding a country where there is no prostitution.

BerstieSpotts Fri 01-Nov-13 13:26:48

It's very open here in Germany too LittleRobots. They have adverts for strip clubs on the little panels you get on the ends of supermarket trollies. That always makes me feel a bit ick. And in the paper they have very open ads for prostitutes at the end of the Personals section, much like escorts advertise in newspapers in the UK but are far more subtle about what "services" they offer. I'm not keen on DS growing up around this, I must admit. But there are many other benefits to being here, so I hope that we can just counter it as parents.

I agree that there is nowhere currently on Earth that is free from sexism and there are always going to be laws etc which aren't perfect.

BerstieSpotts Fri 01-Nov-13 13:27:37

Holy crap, Bunny! sad

Bunnylion Fri 01-Nov-13 13:45:54

berstiespotts the bit about getting new clients who have a lactating fetish makes me feel physically sick - with anger.

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