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Opinions on my conversation with DP please, re job quotas

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MumblingMummy Sun 20-Oct-13 23:13:42

OK, Im feeling a bit upset tonight following a 'lively' discussion with DP earlier about job quotas. He commented on a newspaper article and he said 'Im sick of this PC rubbish, trying to get women and black people jobs just for the sake of quotas. If theyre any good theyll get the job on merit.'
Now, I happen to agree with quotas as without them, I dont see how minorities are ever going to achieve equality of opportunity. His response? Life is tough! I mentioned white male privilage and the wider argument but he just raised his voice and refused to see that things need to change. I think Im just disappointed in him and have a sneaking suspicion that he's not the man I thought he was. <looks eagerly for support>

ApocalypseThen Fri 01-Nov-13 17:21:45

I think poor Martin is labouring under the delusion that the white man is the standard human and everyone else is a deviation.

BasilFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 10:52:37

Arf.

No, the glove on mine is pink. wink

BuffytheAnyAppleFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 10:46:51

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BuffytheAnyAppleFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 10:43:21

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BasilFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 10:41:53

Apparantly telling someone that they have "man-bashing glasses on" doesn't count as a personal attack.

hmm

TheDoctrineOfAnyFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 10:38:03

Well put, Sabrina.

SabrinaMulFUCKERJjones Fri 25-Oct-13 10:01:29

Buffy, you put it well.

I think martinedwards has a fair way to go before he recognises that discrimination already exists in the workplace and has done for generations. Discrimination in favour of white able-bodied men.

Legislation along the lines of quotas merely seeks to redress the existing imbalance.

SabrinaMulFUCKERJjones Fri 25-Oct-13 09:58:18

So sorry to hear that Kim sad

kim147 Fri 25-Oct-13 09:58:07

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BuffytheAnyAppleFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 09:58:02

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BuffytheAnyAppleFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 09:55:34

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BasilFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 00:21:43

Thanks for the apology Radagast.

Thing is, I don't think these "anti xxx practices" can be described as such.

It's not that people are deliberately, consciously going out of their way to keep black people, women, disabled people etc. out of the best jobs. It's just that the way the system - not just work, but home too - is set up, is that unless you are absolutely obsessively determined to change things, you will end up with the status quo simply because changing your whole mindset and ways of working and systems and practices in order to level the playing field and try and fit that workplace/ home for the needs of everyone in it not just the people from the traditionally advantaged groups, is really, really hard work. And the people who have to lead that work, are from the group that have a vested interest in not changing it and they don't notice there's anything wrong because they've never experienced it...

BasilFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 00:10:02

Right.

See I haven't experienced anti black racism, being as how I'm white an' all.

But if a black person tells me it exists, I'm not going to tell him/ her that I don't believe it because it's never happened to meeeeeeeee.

FloraFoxForAnyFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 23:42:46

IT'S WRONG, IT'S WRONG I TELLS YA.

How tedious.

scallopsrmissingAnyFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 23:24:38

It's like talking to a brick wall.

martinedwards Thu 24-Oct-13 23:23:21

The reason I haven't acknowledged it is because I haven't experienced it.

I've worked in video games retail. Female District manager.

Restaurants (good ones mind) one with a female owner, one with a very equal husband & wife team as owners.

in teaching, with female Head Teachers, Vice Principals, and senior management (as well as blokes too.) oh yeah, a female lead inspector on our last inspection too.

maybe it's just that Northern Ireland is so much more advanced and equal than the backward Island off our east coast.......

and Buffy, what is so difficult to understand?

it's wrong to discriminate.

either way.

CaptChaos Thu 24-Oct-13 23:21:00

So........ you can't think of a way of distinguishing between a woman or a man with the same qualifications when choosing a candidate for a job, but because I and a couple of others suggested that, because the hypothetical woman might have taken 3 years out in order to have babies, this shouldn't count against her, and that's man-hating?

Hmmmmm.

hmm

RadagastTheBrown Thu 24-Oct-13 22:31:42

Did I miss the memo about changing NN's, ah well. Basil, I called you angry in earlier posts for which I apologise as you are clearly passionate and I misread the tone. Re-reading these posts has given me quite a pause for thought - I'm now a SAHD whose DW is a Senior Executive and in all the places I've worked I can honestly say I have never seen any of the anti anybody practice's described so eloquently here. I have to admit I naively thought my experience to be the norm but am beginning to realise I was wrong.

BasilFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 22:09:08

"I have REPEATEDLY said that it is wrong for ANYONE to get a job purely on their gender."

And you have REPEATEDLY failed to acknowledge that a workplace designed by white able-bodied men for white able-bodied men inevitably means that white able-bodied men do get jobs purely on their gender. This is particularly the case as they go up the career ladder where because of the way other white able-bodied men organised the workplace, the only candidates for the job are white able bodied men.

TheDoctrineOfAnyFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 21:43:16

grin

BuffytheAnyAppleFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 21:28:40

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BuffytheAnyAppleFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 21:26:04

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FloraFoxForAnyFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 21:25:09

Calm down for fucks sake and stop shouting. You've made your point. Others disagree. Are you going to keep shouting until we agree? hmm

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