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Charlotte Church on sexed-up pop music

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garlicvampire · 15/10/2013 20:47

I caught this by accident last night, and was transfixed.

Full text here.

Iplayer here.

I think this deserves more publicity than it's getting - but did she go far enough?

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KillerKoalaFaceFromSpace · 15/10/2013 20:55

I think she put across her view and experience beautifully.

If she has expressed how she feels in a way that she is comfortable with then yes I think she's gone far enough.

I agree with you Garlic I think it's really interesting what she said and even more interesting that it hasn't been discussed much in the media.

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TensionSquealsGhoulsHeels · 15/10/2013 21:38

Just listened to the lecture. Really interesting. I'm wondering how age restrictions on videos (which I agree with) would affect sales of music. Logically you would think that restricting exposure (because it's not age appropriate) would have an effect and hit sales of music that seems to only get exposure through notoriety via lyrics or the video. But then making something seem taboo by restricting it might just have the opposite effect, making the whole system pointless. I can't decide if it is the right solution, but it's an interesting quandary.

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TheDoctrineOfSpike · 16/10/2013 00:08

Great speech.

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garlicvampire · 16/10/2013 01:40

You make a good point, Tension (Love that nickname!) For me, her recommendation ties in with a greater issue that we're all scared of looking at - exposure to violence as well as porn, while young minds lack the perceptual skills to fully differentiate between drama/game and reality.

I take Church's perspective to heart, though. Pop music's such a massive source of influence & aspiration, it's very worrying that our kids are being shown such a barrage of hyper-sexed, hyper-sexist models as routine. Maybe an age restriction would encourage artists to make tamer videos, or at least a tamer alternative version?

Her comments of the lack of women decision-makers in the industry were very trenchant, as well.

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TheDoctrineOfSpike · 16/10/2013 06:58

I think it's the right solution - I don't think it's the certificate system for films that's led to online porn increasing, for example. Record companies are seeking lots of repeats on music channels so if there was a standard they would probably meet it.

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TheDoctrineOfSpike · 16/10/2013 07:01

DS at pre-school age in a cafe asked me why the woman on the tv (Beyonce, I think) had "no clothes on" - music channel, middle of the day.

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Phaserstostun · 16/10/2013 12:36

I heard an excerpt on R4 yesterday. It's the first time I have ever heard the word 'tits' on The Today Programme! She was very impressive.

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crunchybargalore · 23/10/2013 13:01

Thanks for link.

I thought it was a great talk.

Anyone else shocked at blurred lines being played on X factor.????

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