Fat shaming week on twitter.....apparent
And yet people seem to think that its women putting pressure on themselves with regards to looks and weight
I think it's on par with smoking. It's a bit lazy to be vastly overweight in most cases. It's not a coincidence that contestants on dancing competitions lose weight.
However, it's every individual's choice to be fat but I wouldn't expect it to become the norm or be applauded.
Nobody is saying anything about "applauding" being fat yougotbale. They are just expecting not to be shamed and belittled and told they are lazy. It is not a coincidence that most of those comments are directed at fat women. Not men. Plus the criteria for being fat appears to be if your thighs touch
And being fat is nothing like smoking. Being fat doesn't affect other people's health for a start.
And I'm sorry for using the word fat there - I actually hate it as a word so I don't know why I used it. It is a word that brings up connortations of shaming just by using it.
it's every individual's choice to be fat
That is such an ignorant and judgemental comment.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
I don't see a difference between fat men and women personally. I do see it in the media.
It doesn't affect other people directly, being fat, but there should be a responsibility to not over feed children or feed them shit.
It definitely isn't healthy to be over weight
Why? Medically it is well known to be unhealthy. You wouldn't want people to abuse their children with alcohol, smoking, so why would you with the children's diet. Especially if it isn't necessary.
This isn't about overfeeding children. It isn't even about being overweight and the health implications of that. This is about men making women feel ashamed because they don't pass their fuckability test.
I agree that's wrong, people can look how they want. What is the 'fuckabilty test'? I reckon the male and female human 'fuckability test' are very different. My gay mate is always at it.
I don't like the new phrase 'real women' as well. That needs to be scrapped. Very damaging.
The only objections I have are health.
I bet that what is considered 'fat' for a woman is not really fat but rather the mid to high range of the BMI chart.
Incidentally it's less unhealthy to be slightly overweight than slightly underweight but I very much don't that they will be having a 'skinny shaming' week anytime soon.
Another thing to take into account is that we know nothing of the circumstances of those people who are morbidly obese. They may have very real medical conditions that make weight loss hard. They may be compulsive over-eaters which is as much an eating disorder as anorexia or bulimia. It's far too easy to label people without looking too deeply at the real problems.
I'd feel the same if it was "Smoker Shaming". I've never smoked but "shaming" anyone is just cruel.
Why would anyone want to make another person feel shame?
And this isn't about health. If it was about supporting people in making healthy choices then they would have started a hashtag like #HealthyRecipeWeek or #EffectiveExerciseWeek but they want to SHAME people instead.
It was started by return of kings, an hilarious MRA website full of paranoids along the lines of a voice for men.
Does anyone really take these people seriously? There's a post on their site which purports to come from some kind of psuedo-military group which has 'infiltrated' feminism. I mean, come on. Only the utterly insecure need to fat-shame, slut-shame or whatever-shame, sucks to be them.
There are more indicators of poor health outcomes than weight, funny how we don't genetic-predisposition-shame people, isn't it? It's all about a value judgement on 'who they'd fuck' probably with a healthy dose of 'who refused to fuck them' thrown in.
Chaos - I agree you shouldn't shame. In my experience, I did get more attention from women, when I went from 14st to 12 st. It coincided with depression and exercise treatment so I wasn't presenting myself as more selfconfident. I think people will judge someone's fat %. However, they don't need to shame.
What other self inflicted indicators of health are there?
The only objections I have are health
Only if it's your own health. Otherwise STFU, internet.
Sal - true. It can also be a problem at cinemas, on planes, buses, etc.
I think it's more the moaning about weight that does my head in. My mate has been to the doctors (no illness), he's stopped exercising/dieting, and still moans about being fat. I got him a gym membership for his birthday but I can't get him to join me. Either he is happy how he is or he does some exercise. So annoying
Obesity, as referred to by pp, is not always self inflicted. Before you judge someone's attractiveness dependant on their body fat % next time! perhaps you might take the time to get to know them.
By your measure, living in the wrong area, being poor, being ill advised or any one of a myriad other things could be classified as being self inflicted. Return of kings appears not to wish to tackle or shame any of them though. Would probably get in the way of their busy MGTOW/punter/PUA schedules.
Chaos - it is largely self inflicted but not always. I agree. I don't think the other things are directly self inflicted at all.
A person may not be educated on nutrition, but because being overweight may be linked to an illness, visiting a GP will give them the information they need.
I was saying that other people judged me when I lost weight. I also don't think people should shame anyone.
I was just asking what were other potential signs of illness that are acceptedly mocked and shamed (not that I think fat is accepted). I could only think of baldness.
I find it gobsmacking that the response to this article is a debate about other peoples weight.
The concept of a fat shaming week is beyond vile.
Dressing it up as concern for the health of others is laughable.
It is usually physically inadequate men like Giles Coren that fat shame. He has written a fair few columns aggressively targeting overweight people when he himself is a little tub with several chins. Nothing wrong with that until you berate others for the same appearance.
I agree mignonette.
Same goes for the Abercrombie and Fitch guy.
I think it says more about them than it does about fat people.
They must feel seriously inadequate to get their kicks from publicly lambasting strangers for their appearance.
Yes they are usually inadequate little people ATurtle. I would never give A&F a red cent of my money after their discrimination against disabled staff members. We all do have economic power with regards to issues like this if nothing else.
"I also don't think people should shame anyone." Yet your 2nd sentence on here was "It's a bit lazy to be vastly overweight in most cases."
I was attacked by some of these men on Twitter last night when i stood up to them.
Ive been excersising and healthy eating for two months and only lost half a stone.
There are two other ppl in my Slimming World group who are experiencing exactly the same thing. Rather than showing on the scales its showing in my clothes loosening and im feeling a bit happier in myself.
I power walk for an hour every day I cant run because i am still looking for a sports bra to accomodate my 38K boobs (and genetics plays a part in this My paternal grandmother had a big chest too) but today i was so angry i DID run in short bursts. I now have slightly bruised and red breasts.
YY about Giles Coren mignon A few months ago he did an article for Easy Living about how men are badly objectified.
The same month he appeared in Red as one of four men in an article about how much they loved their wives.
He basically listed her body parts.
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