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How crap is the news at the moment?

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kim147 Tue 07-May-13 19:59:37

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SplitHeadGirl Tue 07-May-13 20:31:16

I was just saying that to my husband. The news just seems to be filled with stories about male violence against women. Girls as well. It is definitely affecting me and how I see men. Even though I tell myself there are some great men out there (hell, I'm married to one) and not to be unfair and tar them all the same, if I am honest with myself I just don't really like men too much lately.

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 21:45:51

I know what you mean. The recent care home news has been horrifying as well.

OTOH the original jimmy saville allegations have prompted so many people to come forward about so many different people over so many decades. Hopefully some justice will be done, some victims may feel a bit better for having finally felt able to tell someone and get listened to, and with any luck the ideas about what abusers "look like" will be eroded a bit and people who tell others about things that have happened will be a little more likely to be believed.

That's what I hope anyway. It is very depressing though, the news.

namechangeguy Tue 07-May-13 21:50:21

When has the news not been depressing? Can anyone remember a time when it was all good news? Ever?

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 21:53:37

I think it's the preponderance of sexual abuse cases, often involving young children, that has hit a nerve with some people.

kissmyheathenass Tue 07-May-13 21:58:07

I thought the same today, all male violence and female victims. I read part of an article on female cicumcision and decided to stop reading the online papers tonight. Just so much violence towards females.

namechangeguy Tue 07-May-13 21:59:17

The whole Savile/Yewtree thing is shocking. But if there can be a positive side, it is that people who were previously affected by this now feel empowered to come forward. They are finally being listened to, and that may mean a whole heap of prosecutions. Better yet, it may also mean that there can be no more Jimmy Saviles or Stuart Halls, because no-one will feel immune from the law, no matter how famous or rich. Perhaps what we are seeing is the beginning of the end of widespread systematic abuse by people in power. Perhaps.

givemeaclue Tue 07-May-13 22:03:14

Just thought exactly the same, all of them crimes against children. Horrific.

TheCrackFox Tue 07-May-13 22:06:48

I'm finding the Cleveland kidnappings very distressing. Those poor women.

CoalDustWoman Tue 07-May-13 22:08:21

This thread reminds me that violence against women is relentlessly depressing.

There's never a national navel gazing about it, though, which depresses me further.

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 22:13:06

If there was a naval gazing moment, now is the time for it.

I really hope all of this changes some attitudes.

But I've heard people on the telly (phone in types and slebs) talking about it and saying really odd stuff. Like the time for the victims to come forward was when it happened, why didn't they come forward at the time, as if there's something a bit fishy going on.

And others at work were saying how victim's cases / stories / accusations were being undermined by compensation claims, which was one that I actually piped up about and fought the opposite corner quite hard. Seems that people want their victims to behave in certain ways even beyond what was already known.

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 22:13:29

naval? navel?

tummy button in this house grin

Darkesteyes Tue 07-May-13 22:43:43

Nice you should have heard my DM talking about the survivors of Saviles abuse.
She was calling THEM disgusting and saying that THEY should be ashamed.

Ive grown up listening to her mysogyny and its awful. Its also very abusive.

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 22:46:06

There's a lot of it about though.

Maybe not as bad as your mum (I'm sorry) but certainly an idea that people are "jumping on the bandwagon" and that sort of thing.

I don't understand it.

LastMangoInParis Tue 07-May-13 22:54:39

I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed this this afternoon and thought WTF?

That said, news sources will highlight what they think people want to read. So I guess that explains in part why these stories are so high profile.

Also, stories from UK politics this week seem to be real non-starters.

The various abuse stories (UK): yes, shocking, maybe, but really just being uncovered. A lot of us have known through bitter experience that abuse survivors carry on for years without having been listened to/believed/taken seriously. So in some sense, many of the UK stories in the news right now are quite heartening. At least survivors are being listened to. That is a very, very great step forwards.

Darkesteyes -that's awful. I don't know what else to say, just that you've got my sympathy and support.

Italiangreyhound Tue 07-May-13 22:57:36

News at moment is totally shit. Very very sad.

NorthernLurker Tue 07-May-13 23:00:49

It's all pretty dreadful. The role of pornography that's being suggested in both the Sharp and Jones case is chilling too.

working9while5 Tue 07-May-13 23:06:40

On the other hand, this news has made me look at Jaycee Lee Duggard and Elizabeth Smart' s comments and revisit their stories... they inspire me so much in their honesty about their experiences and how they hold their head high and don't give in to cultural notions that women who have suffered these heinous crimes are marred or broken by them. So many of us live with shame. I think their unflinching recounting of the horror of their abuse stories is amazing.

goodsongs Wed 08-May-13 01:53:40

"The role of pornography that's being suggested in both the Sharp and Jones case is chilling too."

Because as well all know rape and murder never happened before internet porn.

NiceTabard Wed 08-May-13 07:50:15

I don't think you can dismiss entirely the role of porn in any and all cases.
Many studies looking at whether porn is linked to escalation etc.
To just say "No nothing to do with it" and completely ignore even the possibility that there might be interactions is shortsighted IMO.

NorthernLurker Wed 08-May-13 08:13:11

hmm All crimes exist in a context and the context of these two appears to have featured pornography. I don't really see why anyone would want to deny the part that may have played.

CheerfulYank Wed 08-May-13 09:02:18

One thing I thought was interesting was the interview of the man who helped rescue the first woman in Cleveland. He said he heard her "going nuts" and went over and she asked him to help her. He then said "I thought it was a domestic violence thing, so I opened the door..." Which I think wouldn't open and he and the woman eventually kicked it down?

So many times you hear of domestic violence situations ending in death or serious injury and there are people who hear and think to themselves "better not get involved." It made me, well not happy, as there is nothing happy about the situation, but feel good that he helped like a decent person despite thinking it was "just" a DV incident.

TunipTheVegedude Wed 08-May-13 11:23:26

What I find so extraordinary is that despite story after story after story being about male violence against women, there is till not a national debate about it, it is still not possible to discuss the issue of male violence outside a feminist context without people attempting to derail with constant repeated chippings in of 'Women are violent too!'

Last time there was a spate of stories like this in the news, dh turned round to me and said 'OK, I get it now, the radfems are right about male violence being an issue.'
I wish that would happen on a wider scale. But in general being concerned about male violence is thought to mean hating men. It's depressing.

TunipTheVegedude Wed 08-May-13 11:24:13

CheefulYank - yes indeed.
Several reports seem to be emerging of blind eyes being turned and missed opportunities to save these women sooner.
Thank goodness for that man.

GoblinGranny Wed 08-May-13 11:33:06

'Thank goodness for that man'

And Charles Ramsey's honest bewilderment at what had happened,
'You see where I’m coming from? I barbecue with this dude. We eat ribs and whatnot and listen to salsa music.
He just comes out to his backyard, plays with the dogs, tinkers with his cars and motorcycles, goes back in the house. So he’s somebody you look, then look away. He’s not doing anything but the average stuff. You see what I’m saying? There’s nothing exciting about him. '

Because abusers really don't look like monsters for the most part, they are your neighbours and friends and bus drivers.

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