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Who else is expecting a tidal wave of self-righteous misogyny?

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SolidGoldBrass Mon 08-Apr-13 13:31:14

Given how much left wing men, in particular, love having what they consider justification for a bit of woman-hating, they're all going to be going into overdrive for the next few days...

navada Mon 08-Apr-13 18:37:26

Regarding the gender of people who hate her, I'd say it's 50/50. in fact, I've come across more women who hate her than men.

tiredlady Mon 08-Apr-13 18:47:55

She was no feminist.
I hated everything she stood for as I hate everything that Cameron and co stand for now.
Her being a woman has nothing to do with my utter hatred of her. Some men may possibly have misogyny influncing their dislike of her ( though I do think the decimation of british industry has more to do with it), but for a lot of women like me it has nothing to do with it.
I also can't get my head round this "she was someone's granny" lametation. She was friends with Pinochet ffs. What the fuck has her being a granny got to do with anything

Sausageeggbacon Mon 08-Apr-13 19:07:47

Anyone dying is sad but I won't be shedding tears. I was around when the miners were beaten by the police, I saw the aftermath of the poll tax riots. Misogyny has nothing to do with most peoples dislike of who she was and what she represented. If you see more that that then you might want to go talk to the families that lost everything because of her.

kungfupannda Mon 08-Apr-13 20:30:38

She wasn't a feminist, but her death is bringing out some very relevant comment.

I find it interesting that male leaders, when criticised, are generally referred to as part of their government:

Cameron's government
The coalition
Cameron, Clegg et al
The last labout government
The Blairites

And yet Margaret Thatcher is usually referred to alone, as though she had the rest of the government in helpless thrall.

She's always been a scapegoat for a terrible time in our country's history - she played her part, but last time I checked we weren't a dictatorship. And I don't for one solitary minute believe that her sex has nothing to do with this. History is littered with female scapegoats.

Sausageeggbacon Mon 08-Apr-13 20:43:08

You must of missed her cabinet reshuffles. Anyone on the front bench who so much as sniffed a different opinion was quickly moved to the back bench. She could have done certain things more slowly or less aggressively. Instead she railroaded decisions through. If you lived through it unless you have right wing leanings you would have accepted that she created her image and there was always going to be a backlash from those that suffered.

Nothing to do with her gender, everything to do with how she treated the working class.

TunipTheVegedude Mon 08-Apr-13 20:48:49

I'm with you on this, Kungfupannda.

Even on here people are blaming Thatcher for every single thing done and said by the men in her government. On another thread, I have seen her blamed for the fact that there are still so few women in parliament, as if the sexist culture of the House of Commons didn't even exist.
Thatcher was no feminist but the level of hatred she is getting is highly misogynistic.

So far on Facebook I've seen men and women calling her a witch, but only men calling her a cunt and a harpy.

Thisisaeuphemism Mon 08-Apr-13 20:52:19

Yes, I'm uncomfortable with the level of vitriol, from men on Facebook.

Lessthanaballpark Mon 08-Apr-13 20:57:22

It's interesting watching the blatant sexism that she had to put up with to get as far as she did and the prejudices people had because she was a woman.

She even spoke out against that sexism. But she was very quick to dismiss feminism even though she wouldn't have been there without it.

Did she dismiss feminism because she genuinely hated it, or because she knew how unpopular it would make her?

namechangeguy Mon 08-Apr-13 20:58:01

Facebook is the abode of people who find tying their own shoelaces a challenge.

I am still waiting for a wonderful feminist writer to speak glowingly and positively about the most divisive UK Prime Minister of the 20th century (as requested by another poster in here this morning). I am not surprised to see it hasn't happened. People who are trying to find misogyny amongst all the vitriol should try visiting some of the communities she decimated.

Thisisaeuphemism Mon 08-Apr-13 21:00:08

Natasha Walter has - Mumsnet guest blog.

tethersend Mon 08-Apr-13 21:02:25

This is a tough one. So much of the hate is justified, IMO.

Can you give some specific examples of misogynistic comments as opposed to general celebratory ones?

TunipTheVegedude Mon 08-Apr-13 21:04:19

You don't have to TRY to find the misogyny among the vitriol. It's blatant.

namechangeguy Mon 08-Apr-13 21:06:18

Thank you, Thisisaeuphemism. I have just read that. Not what I would consider a glowing reference, but the author is correct - her achievement has to be acknowledged, as well as her position as a towering influence in 20th century British politics. The great pity is what she did when she got there.

TunipTheVegedude Mon 08-Apr-13 21:06:33

Tethersend - Kate Smurthwaite has pinned some of it down quite well.

specialsubject Mon 08-Apr-13 21:07:18

as always, men are assertive, women are bossy. Men know their own minds, women are fixated. etc etc

she had the absolute conviction that she was right, in common with many politicians and most (bad) managers.

her gender seemed irrelevant to her, which is a good thing. But we probably won't get another female prime minister in our lifetimes.

FairPhyllis Mon 08-Apr-13 21:19:49

SGB YANBU. Especially about left wing misogynist men.

She wouldn't have wanted to be called a feminist, but that doesn't mean that her life and the extraordinary way some people react to her aren't of interest to feminists.

scottishmummy Mon 08-Apr-13 21:19:52

Because she woman who attracts criticism doesn't mean it's criticism of women
The criticism is of the individual,and lets face it she contentious figure

Thisisaeuphemism Mon 08-Apr-13 21:19:55

I remember back then people saying stuff like;
"first female prime minister?" -" nah, she's not female,"
I've seen lots of witch posts and a few about not being human.

No, it wasn't glowing, namechange, but it was the best I could find!

SelfRighteousPrissyPants Mon 08-Apr-13 21:25:50

I hated her because she was a woman- she could have done so much to help women but did the opposite.

tethersend Mon 08-Apr-13 21:27:41

Tunip, thanks for the link. I do get that the examples in that article are misogynistic, I just haven't heard any of them either on here or IRL.

UniqueAndAmazing Mon 08-Apr-13 21:27:57

no, I blame cameron.. not just his government.
have to say in the latter days a lot of her cabinet were aggainst what she did.

ElectricSheep Mon 08-Apr-13 21:31:47

Just watching Maggie and Me on Ch4+1.

Never heard so much chauvinist crap in one hour.

Ye gods, no wonder there hasn't been another woman pm.

FasterStronger Mon 08-Apr-13 21:35:14

Completely side stepping her politics, I found her very inspirational as a young girl. She made me think women could do anything.

Who is inspiration for today's girls?

namechangeguy Mon 08-Apr-13 21:38:29

I am on another forum, mostly male, where the debate over her legacy has been raging since the news. It's a place where casual sexism does crop up. We have had 40 pages of arguing so far, and the mixture of support for her vs. opposition is vastly different to here - far closer to 50-50. I can honestly say that the issue of her gender has not been raised in 40 pages, which has surprised me a little, and pleased me greatly.

I have no doubt you will find misogyny out there amongst the great unwashed, and faceybebo will be just the sort of place for it to appear, given the type of people who use it. But many, many people has strong opinions of her as PM, her policies and her legacy. One thing I have not heard any mention of though - what she was like as an MP, from her constituents.

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