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Keir Starmer says Rape investigations 'undermined by belief that false accusations are rife'

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NormaStanleyFletcher Wed 13-Mar-13 06:47:25

This bit makes me a little worried

"Following completion of the CPS study, false allegation cases involving rape and domestic violence will no longer routinely be referred to the DPP. "These cases will now be handled by [CPS] areas rather than headquarters, but we will continue to have an assurance regime where reports are sent in every six months," Starmer said."

When they were all being referred to Keir's department I felt more comfortable; I don't know exactly why but I have trust in him.

This bit is very interesting I thought

Of 159 suspects linked to allegedly false claims referred to the CPS between January 2011 and May 2012, 92% were women. Nearly half of them were 21 or under. One surprise was that in 38% of those investigations, the initial complaint of rape or domestic violence was made by someone other than the suspect. Among those under 18 it was 50% and often involved a parent

LineRunner Wed 13-Mar-13 18:23:48

I complained to the BBC via this online link

NormaStanleyFletcher Wed 13-Mar-13 18:50:32

Huffington post seem to have done quite well. Even the metro wasn't bad. The BBC have really balls'ed this one up. Did they employ someone who couldn't read to write it, or someone with an agenda.

MurderOfGoths Wed 13-Mar-13 19:04:03

Norma Recently the BBC have had a few articles written by people who don't appear to understand the subject matter, especially wrt reports. sad The standards have definitely dropped.

Trekkie Wed 13-Mar-13 19:22:47

That newsbeat article is just awful.

One of the bits that stood out for me was "Supt Helen Chamberlain, who leads investigators in Nottinghamshire, says they will always believe the story they are told by a victim, but warns every detail will be investigated."

That is a really ominous quote, very much a sense of discouraging people from reporting these crimes.

LittleWhiteWolf Wed 13-Mar-13 19:40:39

I have just complained about the newsbeat article, and highlighted the issue on facebook, too. I am appalled by such blatent disregard for the facts and obvious bias.

JacqueslePeacock Wed 13-Mar-13 19:48:53

I've just come back to this. The more I think about it the more awful it is. Keir Starmer tries to point out that people focus more on false rape accusations than on (the many times more common) actual cases of rape. The BBC reports this as "false rape accusations are dreadful". It's just fucking unbelievable. I am starting to agree with Linerunner that it must be mass cognitive dissonance.

FastidiaBlueberry Wed 13-Mar-13 20:24:16

It looks as though the BBC news office is full of people who simply have that "false allegations are outrageous and terrible and it's the women who make them who spoil it for everyone else" head on and when confronted with a press release that says something else, simply can't interpret it except through that prism.

Very frightening and I am fucking pissed off that my licence fee is being used to promote rape myths by unthinking journalists - or worse, thinking journalists with a misogynist agenda.

JacqueslePeacock Wed 13-Mar-13 20:46:56

I have just complained using the link provided upthread, so thanks for that. Perhaps if we all complain they might feel obliged to listen?

I must point out that the BBC online complaints system is a complete pain in the arse though. It has taken me 8 attempts to submit my complaint. I suspect they don't actually want us to complain.

runningforthebusinheels Wed 13-Mar-13 20:55:14

I've complained online using Linerunner's link too. It's a bit long-winded, but not too much of a pita.

I would urge anyone who feels strongly about this to complain - shoddy reporting is one thing, but I think this was blatant misrepresentation.

LineRunner Wed 13-Mar-13 21:09:53

Look, I know it's not much, but my MP (whom I have contacted) is prepared to write a letter to Keir Starmer asking what the CPS thinks about the BBC's reporting of this.

Would anybody like to give me a suggested paragraph that they would like to have included.

runningforthebusinheels Wed 13-Mar-13 21:30:57

Line, that's awfully good of your mp. I've pm'd you what I wrote to the bbc, if you want to use any of it, go ahead. It's a bit waffly

FastidiaBlueberry Wed 13-Mar-13 21:51:49

I told the BBC that they're using licence-payer's money to promote rape myths.


I had a bit of a "correspondence" with one of their people about a report they did a few months ago about a woman whose husband murdered her. He was a former councillor and eveyrone said how marvellous he was - that was the BBC angle.

They seem to be run by fucking idiots.

vesuvia Wed 13-Mar-13 21:52:46

I think some very good points have been made in the letter of complaint sent to the BBC by End Violence Against Women Coalition, Rape Crisis England & Wales, Eaves, Equality Now and Object.


LineRunner Wed 13-Mar-13 22:06:17

vesuvia thanks for that link

Greythorne Wed 13-Mar-13 22:16:59

Just made a complaint.

Thanks for the link.

Trekkie Wed 13-Mar-13 22:17:53

That is a good letter.

The complaints are mounting (is on MN front page as well) surely they must react.

Well no actually it's still there.

I can't believe they put "It's the first time details for England and Wales have been compiled, showing how common the problem is." when the whole point was it was rare and when they had it pointed out they amended to "It's the first time details for England and Wales have been compiled, showing how unusual the problem is." which doens't even make sense.

these people are supposed to be journalists? Don't they care that what they have written was firstly the opposite to the truth, and then that their amendment is incomprehensible in the context?

What actually is the matter with them? It's pathetic.

The more I read the article the more angry I get.

Young people will be reading that - it's aimed at young people - and rape myths will be reinforced - that woman and girls lie all the time, and that you should think twice before reporting a rape as the police will rip you to shreds.

was that their intention? Can it be accidental?

Greythorne Wed 13-Mar-13 22:23:26


Yes, yes

Trekkie Wed 13-Mar-13 22:24:09

I have just noticed that the links to the right of teh article are all to previous newsbeat articles reporting on people being done for falsely reporting rape.

Not a single link to a conviction for rape, reports about rape stats, support contacts for if you have been raped or anything.

I am coming around to the idea that it is not a mistake.
The "threat" from teh police to victims "be warned" is the icing on the cake.

Trekkie Wed 13-Mar-13 22:28:50

Oh sorry they do link to rape crisis.
Also the false allegations support organisation. Which seems to be all about child abuse so why it is linked to the story is anyone's guess.

Trekkie Wed 13-Mar-13 22:31:36

Am livid.
Radio1 / newsbeat are aimed at our teens and young people.

Thinking about it I have spotted items on main BBC news before about VAW and porn and stuff which have made me go hmm and they have usually been on newsbeat.

Is it cos it's for the younger generation and they are like well down on the sexual violence and all that.

runningforthebusinheels Wed 13-Mar-13 22:32:04

The fact that they've done this while still reeling from the effects of the Saville case beggars belief.

Trekkie Wed 13-Mar-13 22:39:52

Sorry on a rant now

here is the link to the interview with the police person quoted in teh article


The article says this:

"Supt Helen Chamberlain, who leads investigators in Nottinghamshire, says they will always believe the story they are told by a victim, but warns every detail will be investigated."

Now, there is a cut in the clip. But I was suprised (to say the least) to read that, a police officer giving a "warning" to victims. And in the clip on the site, she does not say that. They have interpreted what she said in the context of what is looking like their belief that women and girls lie about rape.

the article is biased and if I were Helen Chamberlain I would be having very strong words.

NoTimeForS Wed 13-Mar-13 23:01:49

I complained too. What a dreadful article.

LineRunner Wed 13-Mar-13 23:05:36

So the BBC has twisted what a female Police Superintendent has said.

They really are shits to do this.

ScrambledSmegs Wed 13-Mar-13 23:47:19

Is the BBC news website regulated by the PCC? I feel the need to complain to an independent regulator as it looks like they're going to go with fobbing off, as predicted. That response to End Violence Against Women's letter is making my blood boil.

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