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The casual use of mysogonistic language on MN

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kim147 Mon 21-Jan-13 11:21:44

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feministefatale Wed 23-Jan-13 14:21:28

I have never heard someone call a male a bitch without calling out his masculinity, so used differently which I find offensive to women.

StewieGriffinsMom Wed 23-Jan-13 14:27:06

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Susan2kids Wed 23-Jan-13 15:11:06

really ladies we can claim Macho isn't an insult all we want in an attempt to make it seem like we are downtrodden women.... the word Macho is insulting in th language it is taken from, its not really arguable, its fact ... unless you want to claim men 'reclaimed' it somehow..... but thats down to us.... we could reclaim female insults. Genetalic swearwords are common in all cultures and languages and its nothing about gender traits really its about comparing you to genitals. There arent really more female than male often have you head the expression "balls'd it" up...or the word 'scrote'. I've not heard one woman here say she wouldnt be offended by being called manlike so its untrue to say that female characteristics are automatically found to be offensive....It works equally for either sex.....

LRDtheFeministDragon Wed 23-Jan-13 15:19:59

Yes, I'm sure it's pure coincidence words like 'hysterical' even exist. Or indeed that 'cunt' is widely considered more offensive than 'prick'.

Of course it has to do with gender. It's nothing to do with making us 'seem' like downtrodden women: it is simply that, right there in our language, is the evidence that women have been seen as lesser than men. It goes right from that fact that 'he' is default (cf. 'mankind'), to the fact that misogynistic language is normalized.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Wed 23-Jan-13 15:22:31

Oh, man up and stop acting like a girl... hmm

LRDtheFeministDragon Wed 23-Jan-13 15:26:02


OneMoreChap Wed 23-Jan-13 15:41:18

It must be my labouring background, but I'd always assumed hardcore is related to the rough bits of rock I remember compacting before concreting.

Whence hardcore porn - rough/industrial.

On the other hand, it might just be my age.
I think gendered insults are wrong, and seeing women calling each other cunts is somewhat distressing. As a very young boy, I remember having a physical discussion with another boy who'd called me a bastard, as it was a reflection on my mother... But that was in another country, and besides, the wench is dead or something...

In general, I think Xenia's right and insults reflect most upon those that use them.

HeyHoHereWeGo Wed 23-Jan-13 15:45:49

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Susan2kids Wed 23-Jan-13 16:16:08

LDR "indeed that 'cunt' is widely considered more offensive than 'prick" Ah now weve moved on to degrees of offensiveness....well thats down to us. Women. Men dont take that much insult from prick...maybe its up to us not to take such offence from cunt (although im not suggesting we all act like a friend and try and reeclaim the word...she would sing the word cunt for about five minutes at anyone who used it as an insult.....whilst it did work as a deterrent it probably isnt the best method.)

Susan2kids Wed 23-Jan-13 16:17:42

"I hate the phrase "Man up" which means act like a responsible adult."
Perhaps the best response to this would be to run off and spend all evening watching TV and expecting dinner to be made smile

LRDtheFeministDragon Wed 23-Jan-13 16:23:21

Rubbish. It's not remotely 'down to us'. Language doesn't work like that.

And I've not 'moved on' to anything. The fact that insults are disproportionately anti-woman is the subject of the thread.

I do like the root of the word 'cunt' (I'm a medievalist, I read my Chaucer, I know what it means). What makes me terribly sad is that this is a word with a really nice etymology, that women could be proud of - yet it's become one of the most offensive words you can say.

IMO that tells you all you need to know about misogyny in our language.

HoneyDragon Wed 23-Jan-13 16:28:31

I'd rather be called a bitch than a dog, oddly enough. confused

TheOriginalSteamingNit Wed 23-Jan-13 16:29:57

Anyone remember that 80s song 'he's gotta be/such a cunt/ he's gotta be / such a cunt/ he's gotta be big and strong, enough to turn me on'?

LRDtheFeministDragon Wed 23-Jan-13 16:30:23

'Dog' is nasty too - but I'd argue it's gendered as well, isn't it? In that when someone says 'that woman, she's such a dog', we know what it means. If someone says 'he's such a dog', it doesn't mean the same. In fact I've only heard men referred to as 'dog' in a US context, where it seems to mean something a bit like 'stud', maybe? confused

(Anyone who is rolling around laughing at me because that's wrong, feel free to correct ...).

HoneyDragon Wed 23-Jan-13 16:32:00

Nope, that's I get confused

He's such a dawg -- good

She's a dog -- baaaaaaad

LRDtheFeministDragon Wed 23-Jan-13 16:35:16

Oh, good, that's what I thought (well, not 'good', but you know what I mean).

JustAHolyFool Wed 23-Jan-13 16:41:07

I think saying swearing is a sign of a limited vocabulary is a non-argument. In fact, I'd say repeating this truism is a sign of limited thinking power.

I have no problem with cunt/twat being applied to anyone, same as I use cock/dick for anyone.

I hate bitch/cow/slut/slag because they're only used against women, or to imply that men are womanly and thus shit.

feministefatale Wed 23-Jan-13 16:48:38

I can't see how using the word that bests suits in a situation is a sign of limited vocabulary either.

Susan2kids Thu 24-Jan-13 17:00:29

LDR "Rubbish. It's not remotely 'down to us'. Language doesn't work like that." Thats nice, again youve just stated something youve not supported it.

Language does indeed work like that.

Its entirely based around how we interpret it. We place our own meanings on words. Women are the worst critics of women...we always have been. The first people to level epithets like 'slut' and 'slag' in any sitution ive personally encountered are women. Ill make the same challenge you've ignored twice now. Why is Cunt or Twat actually more offensive than Prick or Cock?

Susan2kids Thu 24-Jan-13 17:01:46

FeministeFatale, I entirely agree...... smile "I can't see how using the word that bests suits in a situation is a sign of limited vocabulary either." Sometimes there isnt a better word than cunt or prick available i the space you have to say it smile

LRDtheFeministDragon Thu 24-Jan-13 17:09:56

susan, language is not given its entire meaning by one half of the population.

I am not certain I need to 'support' this, since it has been quite some time since I came across a society of men who communicated entirely in grunts, and they were extremely pissed at the time.

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