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Can Someone Explain Feminism to me.

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StickEmUp Wed 16-Jan-13 14:16:05

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MiniTheMinx Wed 16-Jan-13 14:47:45

It might be best understood if you think about how you would answer these sorts of questions. smile

Are you a women?
Do you think men and women are equal?
Do you think we are actually equal within society now?
In what way might women face difficulties in education, health, wealth distribution, at work, in social situations and in their home lives?
In what way does biological differences and motherhood make women's lives better or easier or more challenging and difficult?

AbigailAdams Wed 16-Jan-13 14:48:07

OK I am going to take this at face value. Feminism is a political movement that fights to free women from the oppression of men.

MurderOfGoths Wed 16-Jan-13 14:57:29

The problem is that different people will apply different definitions.

The simple base definition is "wanting equality for the sexes, specifically the women as they are traditionally the oppressed sex".

So in general "maleism" isn't needed, there are obviously specific areas where men are less equal than women, but they are the minority.

But you will find that some people will add extra definitions to feminism.

I do tend to agree with you on preferring a more gender neutral term, but I think feminism is encompassed by a more general term, rather than being standalone.

feministefatale Wed 16-Jan-13 15:00:27

There isn't a 'maleism' is there? Or is that because they don't need it?

We live in a patriarchy so yes maleism is already in action. Men don't need quotas because they are already more likely to be picked for advancement in work etc.

It's a bit like the civil rights movement in the states. Would you say "why wasn't there a movement to push the white agenda in the 60s?" No because the whole society was the white movement.

StickEmUp Wed 16-Jan-13 15:01:55

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MurderOfGoths Wed 16-Jan-13 15:04:20

I think you need to look at when and why it started. That's why it isn't gender neutral. When it started women were third class citizens. With rich men and poor men and class one and two. They were seen as being there solely to provide children/sex/housework.

StickEmUp Wed 16-Jan-13 15:04:52

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feministefatale Wed 16-Jan-13 15:05:31

Actually it stresses me out that we are never allowed to push our own agenda because men are so scared we may get one up on them. Well men are already one up on us or more. They try and hold us back by saying we can't get too far because that wouldn't be fair, whilst simultaneously already being ahead of us. And not giving a shit about that. But yes, I have heard lots of people mentioning peoplism or a variation (equalism usually I think) things like that..and it just winds me up a bit. If people think peopleism is so great then why don't men start doing that now?

It never seems to get any play until women start throwing around feminism,

StickEmUp Wed 16-Jan-13 15:07:09

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feministefatale Wed 16-Jan-13 15:08:40

So there are so many things I could see that pointed towards what feminism meant that I didnt like the sound of.

I bet their are 50 times more that you do liek the sound of though.

feministefatale Wed 16-Jan-13 15:12:51

awesome things feminism has done for you

Getting victims of sexual abuse to be treated as victims, not equally (or more) to blame for their attack.

Getting your daughters and your sons to have equal access to education

Making it illegal for you and your work mate doing the same job to be paid more as a matter of course because he is the "breadwinner" (obviously we haven't totally closed the over all pay gap, but feminism is working on it)

Voting rights

Working against casual sex and sexual harassment in the workplace

StickEmUp Wed 16-Jan-13 15:12:59

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feministefatale Wed 16-Jan-13 15:13:54

*casual sexism!

Don't think feminism is anti casual sex per se grin

StickEmUp Wed 16-Jan-13 15:15:00

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feministefatale Wed 16-Jan-13 15:16:04

Well if you spend approximately ten minutes on the FWR forum you will see many of us do shave our legs and why we do.

Feminism wants you to be aware of why you shave your legs and give you the option of not shaving your legs.

start here

StickEmUp Wed 16-Jan-13 15:17:27

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feministefatale Wed 16-Jan-13 15:19:42

Yeah that's about it.

StickEmUp Wed 16-Jan-13 15:20:23

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StickEmUp Wed 16-Jan-13 15:21:50

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feministefatale Wed 16-Jan-13 15:22:07

Feminism helps the men too. It means being macho isn't seen as the only option for them, it means flexible working hours so they can actually see their children, it means that we see most men as more than just rape monsters who can't help themselves when they see a short skirt.

feministefatale Wed 16-Jan-13 15:24:39

some do, some don't. only shitty people one up each other. Feminism has some shitty people like any group and like any group (with few exceptions) the shitty people are in the minority.

MMMarmite Wed 16-Jan-13 15:29:21

There are thousands of different types of feminists, which may be part of why you're confused. But every feminist I've actually talked to thinks that you can shave your legs and be a feminist.

seeker Wed 16-Jan-13 15:30:21

Feminism is a way of thinking that encourages you to think about how any choice or decision you make will impact on other women.

That's why it's about more than just women being able to make choices, although that's part of it. Just because a woman makes a choice doesn't make it a feminist choice.

AnyFucker Wed 16-Jan-13 15:33:10

I married a man, I took his name, I work PT so my H is the main breadwinner. I shave my armpits and legs, I wear make up and paint my nails when I am not working and I feel like it. I like nice clothes (to a degree). I get satisfaction out of cleaning a kitchen.

I am a feminist.

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