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Err... Is this sexist?

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evilhamster Sat 01-Dec-12 09:20:24

This one

It seems to be quite sexist, or at least biased, not to mention being anti-Paralympics/Paralympian (disablist?) in one of the paragraphs. And I find it hard to believe it's written by a credible journalist at all. Amongstr other things, he seems to be saying that someone (Froch) who's not actually even top in weight band is better than someone like Jessica Ennis who's the best in her sport. Not to mention completely disregarding the fact that it's not Best At Sport, but Sport's Personality of the Year. Or have I just been looking at it wrongly?

Is it just me, or do you think the same?

grimbletart Wed 05-Dec-12 11:46:05

The tennis 5 v 3 sets thingy (which only applies anyway to the 4 slams - not the Masters or any other tournament) is actually more discriminatory against women then equal prize money is against men. It allows men the chance to come back from two sets down, while women who are fit athletes and well able to play 5 sets, do not get that chance. Think how Andy Murray at the American Open lost sets 3 & 4 and came back to win in set 5 (for example).

Also, women tennis players have offered to play 5 sets at the slams and been turned down on the basis that the ATP and WTA schedules are so tight that it would not allow for the extra time needed.

I really think it should not be beyond the wit of the slams to find a way to allow women to play 5 sets.

GalaxyDisaster Wed 05-Dec-12 08:39:45

Just something I have been pondering...

I never really get the 'women play fewer sets so they should have lower prize money' argument. We don't pay sports people based on how long they are on the track/court. If we did, the earnings of cricketers and tennis players would eclipse that of footballers and 100 m sprinters would be on the breadline. grin

evilhamster Tue 04-Dec-12 20:32:58

Now it sounds like I have a sexist friend. Basically, men's sport is still seen as the main one for some sports (not others, for instance gymnastics or swimming) and women's are secondary sports almost. Think of how televised the World Cup was and compare that for the women's team...

evilhamster Tue 04-Dec-12 20:31:34

Thanks for the article smile Very useful! So a misogynist (according to that) is always sexist, but in this case the article displays his misogyny not his sexism. Or something confused smile

I think I agree a bit. Although there are many sports (such as the English rugby team complex said) which should be broadcasted, public awareness is so little that although there is a limited number of fans, it's not on the news or on tv and people aren't made aware of it as much. When a friend said she was thinking about getting tickets for Wimbledon (never got them though!) she said she'd ideally get the men's tennis, and if she didn't, she'd go for the women's just for the experience of Wimbledon. It's recognised in some ways, but is often a fall back sport almost for some (not all, obviously) fans.

complexnumber Tue 04-Dec-12 18:10:10

I think you are probably correct, Smudging when it comes to PRESS coverage. (As opposed to other forms of media)

I was very disappointed by the lack of press coverage of the England's women rugby team victory over NZ, however I do think that the BBC did a very good job with on-line commentary.

Smudging Tue 04-Dec-12 18:00:40

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

complexnumber Tue 04-Dec-12 17:51:12

Sorry, Smudging, you did not state main reason

complexnumber Tue 04-Dec-12 17:48:38

And he wonders why people aren't as interested in women in sports. Errr perhaps because there are so many male journalists with this backward attitude.

Are you sure that is the main reason? I doubt if it is all due to male journalists.

I think that would be a cop out.

More broadly, I still don't understand why the majority of Daily Mail readers are female.
(sorry, don't have a reference for that right now)

Smudging Tue 04-Dec-12 17:24:37

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

madwomanintheattic Tue 04-Dec-12 17:22:03

I didn't even know who Cark Froch was...

That said, i'm ready to punch Desmond Kayne's lights out after the disparaging 'no woman could ever' stand up to the heat of a proper golf tournament.....


If do get a knockout, please can I be the SPOTY? <not really. The satisfaction alone would be fine, and there are real sports men and women that deserve it far more>

GalaxyDisaster Tue 04-Dec-12 16:59:59

He wants Sports Personality of the Year to be for the person who can "punch harder, run faster, swim further, throw longer or get more shots across the net". There are plenty of awards for that. They are called Titles, World Records, Medals, etc. According to its T&Cs this award is for "the sportsman or woman whose actions have most captured the public's imagination in 2012."

That allows able bodied and disabled, men and women to compete on an equal footing. And given that we hosted the Olympics and the Paralympics, of course those will feature prominently. The fact that he is sooooo angry that there is an award where being physically bigger and stronger doesn't mean you win really shows him in his true colours.

complexnumber Tue 04-Dec-12 16:27:36

Isn't there a touch of the 'Ad hominem' about some of the responses to the article?

samandi Tue 04-Dec-12 14:05:28

From what I can gather he has a bit of a crush on a boxer called Carl Froch.

What a small-minded and repulsive man.

ConsiderCasey Sun 02-Dec-12 23:35:49

In terms of inspiring personalities, Nicola Adams inspired me more than anyone in the Olympics.

Isn't that part of what the personality award is about?

TheSmallClanger Sun 02-Dec-12 21:45:29

I agree with Widow.

I haven't heard of the boxer bloke he's bigging up, which sort of proves how wrong he is.

WidowWadman Sun 02-Dec-12 21:43:00

Sexist and disablist, and overall pretty twattish.

WithTheDude Sat 01-Dec-12 22:57:14

<sorry. smile >

I like this Guardian Piece on the difference between misogyny and sexism. I think Julie Bindel sums it up best.

evilhamster Sat 01-Dec-12 19:32:56

No, I know you didn't smile I've heard sexist used before, obviously, and not misogyny, because unless you grow up with a language, you won't hear and know every (well, most) words. I know it wasn't a dig!

So it is misogynist then?

WinklyVersusTheZombies Sat 01-Dec-12 17:54:39

Sometimes I look at things that people consider to be sexist/misogynistic and am a bit hmm

Not this time. That 'article' is outrageously offensive, it completely dismisses the achievements of anyone who isn't an able-bodied man. Disgusting.

HalloweenNameChange Sat 01-Dec-12 17:44:23

I think withthedude was agreeing with you and saying it's even worse than just sexism.

ashesgirl Sat 01-Dec-12 17:10:46

Yes, Desmond Kane getting a bit of stick on Twitter about this

WithTheDude Sat 01-Dec-12 16:58:56

Oh, evilhamster that wasn't meant as a dig at your language skills. I'm sorry. That wasn't my intentionsad

I am just so very, very angry at these men pontificating total twaddle and people believing them.

GrrrArghZzzzYaayforall8nights Sat 01-Dec-12 12:16:26

edam - They have a twitter account @YahooUK which could probably be used.

He does have issues - very misogistic and ableist.

Chunkychicken Sat 01-Dec-12 12:10:57

That's seriously offensive.

I can (sort of) see the point about Wimbledon where women play fewer sets but equally, I understood that, until relatively recently, they received less prize money too.

I would love to see him go a few rounds with the (feeble) female boxers or other sportswomen he mentions...

edam Sat 01-Dec-12 11:56:33

I can't see anywhere on the page where you can complain to Yahoo. They wouldn't publish racist nonsense claiming black people can't be sports personalities, I don't see why they think it's OK to publish this.

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