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Nigglenaggle Mon 26-Nov-12 21:46:00

Hi. I have never really read much about feminism, but I always thought, in its essence, it was about bringing equality for men and women. however reading threads in this section has lead me to believe in fact that is not the case. In fact I've come to wonder if that is even a large part of it. Please explain to me, in plain English, what feminism is. An overview of the different schools of thought within it would be welcome, however please stick to simple terms, for a simple girl grin

PortoDude Fri 30-Nov-12 19:37:12

ncg - but you posted "statistics" re domestic violence with the aim of showing that WOMEN are guilty in large proportions too. The statistics might show that more men are subject to dv - but they don't show that it is women that are responsible.

namechangeguy Fri 30-Nov-12 21:09:31

That was not me.

PortoDude Fri 30-Nov-12 21:54:30

Oh sorry NCG - indeed it was NOT you. I am very sorry. blush

PortoDude Fri 30-Nov-12 21:57:33

It was OneMoreChap that posted the "stats" and I saw ncg at the bottom of the page and got the blokes mixed up.

OneMoreChap Fri 30-Nov-12 22:39:08

Rise in *women* convicted or did we miss that?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 30-Nov-12 22:48:42

OMC that link and the link from it talks about 7% of convictions for DV being of women ie 4,000 out of 59,000.

PortoDude Sat 01-Dec-12 17:24:11

Good blog about the subject of male dv here

PortoDude Sat 01-Dec-12 17:25:09

Good blog POST that should say....

TeiTetua Sat 01-Dec-12 17:45:54

I've heard anecdotal claims that the rate of domestic violence is about the same among heterosexuals as it is in gay male couples and lesbian couples. If that were to be true, it would say that when two women are cooped up in a relationship, they're as likely to descend to violence as anyone--except that if it's "anyone" of differing genders, it's much more likely to be the man hurting the woman than vice versa. I don't know what to say about that. There are things that a man will do to a woman that a woman won't do to a man, and the same doesn't apply to two women or to two men?

OneMoreChap Sat 01-Dec-12 19:09:28

TheDoctrineOfSnatch the issue is the rise in reports and convictions; we welcome it for rape; we should welcome it for other offences, neh?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sat 01-Dec-12 21:43:48

OMC, in your first post that cited the article about the rise, you quoted Abigail saying that violent women in relationships were rare, and you seemed to be using your various citations as a counterargument to this quote, saying her view was dated.

Perhaps I misunderstood.

katiejayne1987 Tue 01-Sep-15 18:01:03

i am currently studying feminism. and i can assure you that every man and woman that believes in equality between the sexes is a feminist because that was the initial idea of the movement... EQUALITY!
however there are radical feminist that have taken it further into the man hating realm. just like any religion or subject you will always get those that misinterpret the meaning or just use it to justify there own actions.
Women still don't have the equality that they believe they do, they still don't get paid the same as men doing the same job, let alone the issues in the workplace regarding motherhood. women are seen as unreliable because they can get pregnant and need time off then once they are mothers they have to put their children first, so if they get sick etc, work have to let you leave. businesses don't like this.
feminism is a vast subject that goes as far as looking at; how can we be equal to men when in fact women will always be different from men, but honestly don't batter your head with it, it drives me crazy.
The point is its about men and women both having equal choices and opportunities in life and equal rights and pay.
Women and men can choice between career or home life, it should be fair and equal.

YonicScrewdriver Tue 01-Sep-15 19:18:31

What a strange post to bump the thread with, Katie.

YonicScrewdriver Tue 01-Sep-15 19:19:42

Radfems don't hate men, btw - i assume you haven't started your studies yet?

scallopsrgreat Tue 01-Sep-15 20:14:44

Well if you were studying feminism then you'd know that feminism has never been about choice (until it has been marketed as such very recently). It has been about ending the oppression of women. Choice is a by product of that.

And so what if a few rad fems hate men? I mean really so what? Do they have society and culture backing them up in systematically oppressing men? Are they killing baby boys just because they are boys? Are they going out raping and killing men? Are they being violently abusive to them in relationships? Are they cutting their wages or sacking them for being men?

Now look at the first part of that paragraph and how many of those things are men doing to women and girls?

Or are these women calling them out on their bad behaviour? Not pandering to them or trying to please them? Maybe even laughing at them shock <swoon>? Or just simply avoiding them?

But thanks for explaining feminism to us. We appreciate it.

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