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TotoroOnTheCatBus Fri 19-Oct-12 21:49:20

I am so sick of this.. I moved back to America and I feel like I've walked in to the dark ages regarding women's rights..It wasn't like this 10 years ago..what has happened? Women who have been really raped can't get pregnant... Pregnancy is NEVER dangerous for women sad I hate it.. I am so angry

TotoroOnTheCatBus Fri 19-Oct-12 21:49:29

TotoroOnTheCatBus Fri 19-Oct-12 21:50:23

Sorry I read this just before reading the "should gps be able to opt out of MAP and abortions" thread.. I just want to remind people.. that it's ll a slippery slope. You let them get away with this..and look what happens

grimbletart Fri 19-Oct-12 22:21:19

What is the matter with these American pro-lifer politicians that they are so ignorant, so stupid, so uneducated?

Can someone not tell them that they don't have a clue what they are talking about.

Can someone not show them maternal death and morbidity statistics.

What the hell is wrong with them?

AlreadyScone Fri 19-Oct-12 22:23:19

this reminds me of a cartoon I saw recently... it simply said "You're pro-life... but you're against universal healthcare?!"

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 19-Oct-12 23:04:31

Oh god. I will weep with you.

Joe Walsh, if you make abortion illegal, women will have unsafe abortions and many will be seriously harmed or will die. There's a threat to the life of the mother. If you force a woman already desperate through depression, abusive relationship, whatever to continue with a pregnancy, she may commit suicide. There's another threat to the life of the mother.


BettySuarez Fri 19-Oct-12 23:44:20

It's just shocking - we came very close to having to relocate to California but have recently managed to avoid it.

Thank fuck for that because I wouldn't be able to stay more than 5 mins in the US if Romney gets in.

The only ray of hope is that the majority of comments were left by people who thought he was a first class tit

KRITIQ Sat 20-Oct-12 07:04:20

I'm only in the US now for a few days visiting family and my heart sinks each time I turn on the TV or radio. Political commercials are ghastly. In one his evening, a woman candidate says she's a pro life mother and rape survivor. She says she refused MAP after her rape. Well, that was her choice, bully for her. But trying to eliminate choice for or others?

I'm so glad this is no longer home for me, but I fear for the women here, the minority ethnic Americans, the poor Americans, etc. I still hope common sense will prevail.

TotoroOnTheCatBus Sat 20-Oct-12 12:30:45

She says she refused MAP after her rape. Well, that was her choice, bully for her. But trying to eliminate choice for or others?

Nice for her.. guessing she probably didn't get pregnant either.. or she would have changed her view point.

I really don't know what's happening.. I don't remeber things being like this when I was younger. We've gone backwards..and I can't see why.

TerrariaMum Sat 20-Oct-12 17:38:42

Like KRITIQ, the US is no longer my home and I fear for the women there the more BS I hear spouted. Totoro (love the name btw), I wonder if it isn't that it wasn't there when we were younger(I'm 31 now), but we just didn't see it or it wasn't as blatant.

Blistory Sat 20-Oct-12 18:34:22

I think it's part of the backlash to be honest. I'm beginning to think that the patriarchy does have a collective brain that's realised it's had to give way in terms of legal equality but is hanging on to social conventions and slowly clawing back the legal gains that women have achieved. And using the current fall in moral standards (wtf does that even mean) as the basis for these shitty, crappy, sexist attitudes. America, land of the free but only if you happen to have a penis attached to a white body.

grimbletart Sat 20-Oct-12 19:15:21

Patriarchy and brain, Blistory? Now there's two words you wouldn't expect to find coupled together....

tribpot Sat 20-Oct-12 19:32:37

And yet at the same time I think Melinda Gates has been putting a pretty controversial message out about women's health around the world, i.e. we intend to make contraception and education available. It's up to women what they choose to do with this. (I realise she's hardly first to say such things but I will still surprised, frankly, to hear an American woman voicing opinions which seem out of step with prevailing voices in her own country, let alone [other] parts of the world controlled by the religious patriarchy).

And of course it is not just women's rights which are taking a beating. I cannot believe the campaign against Ellen Degeneres as a spokesperson for JC Penney (I actually thought this was a fab choice as an older woman, never mind a gay one!). Can you imagine anyone (moderately sensible) having a fit about Stephen Fry being the face of Marks and Sparks? It's ridiculous.

And yet - the era of Obama. From this distance the country seems highly polarised and certainly gains which had been made are being lost.

MmeLindor Sat 20-Oct-12 19:44:36

It is very depressing, and I fear for women around the world if the unthinkable happens, and Romney is the next president.

Melinda Gates really went out a limb with her campaign. It is a very personal campaign for her, and she has been highly criticised in US for it. And elsewhere for leaving abortion out of the campaign, which I think was unfair since even promoting contraception is a big thing in US nowadays.

BettySuarez Sat 20-Oct-12 20:01:40

We were on the verge on relocating but seriously considering leaving our daughters (twins aged 16) here in UK. Partly for educational reasons but also in part due to the backward and sexist attitudes that seem to be prevalent in the States.

It is so frightening that a country so powerful and influential can even contemplate heading in this direction.

TotoroOnTheCatBus Sat 20-Oct-12 20:32:14

terriamum I am nearly same as you in age. I really don't think it was as bad. I feel like the tea party have made insanity/racism/sexism/homophobia fashionable again.. sad

MmeLindor Sat 20-Oct-12 23:17:56

I'd certainly think twice about relocating to US atm. It's scary to think how women's rights are being eradicated.

TennisFan42 Wed 24-Oct-12 09:43:03

This is the latest idiotic statement from the Republicans on this issue

TennisFan42 Wed 24-Oct-12 09:44:20

This is the latest idiotic statement from the Republicans on this issue

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Wed 24-Oct-12 09:48:59

Ugh, how horrible.

Does anyone know if female republican politicians are coming out with quite this level of crap?

OneMoreChap Wed 24-Oct-12 10:24:40

Certainly Tea Party women are quite capable of this nonsense.

I mean, I quite approve of people being anti-abortion. I certainly wouldn't force them to have one.

I don't really get why they think their stance should affect other people.
Particularly not men inflicting their views on women...

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