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2 brothers in Telford convoked of rape and chile prosititution, according to the lawyer "this type of rape is not like other horrible types of rapes".

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reddwarf Sat 06-Oct-12 06:58:08

Tayyab Khan, defending Ahdel Ali, urged the judge to be lenient because "this type of rape is not like other horrible types of rapes".

Right so raping 13 year old girls, protistuting and trafficking them isn't "horrible".

And this is the so called educated lawyer, never mind the sick bastards who actually did it.

DilysPrice Sat 06-Oct-12 07:18:43

To be fair (and it sticks in my throat) somebody has to defend these bastards, so arguing the toss about how bad their crime is is the defence barrister's job. It's the judges who have to steer away from this crap - the only uncrossable line for the defence is to not harrass or vilify the accuser.

WofflingOn Sat 06-Oct-12 07:32:02

Agreed, it is horrible and vile and unacceptable at any level. Rape is rape.
But I knew you'd either be quoting a defence lawyer or a friend/relative of the accused before I clicked on the thread.
Not a neutral opinion.

OwedToAutumn Sat 06-Oct-12 07:35:34

I'm pleased to see the legal system taking this kind of crime seriously.

Hopefully, the terrible attitudes of police and social workers in the recent Yorkshire case were a one off.

Uppercut Sat 06-Oct-12 10:16:17

With specific regard to sexual relations with the 13 year old girl, the lawyers point was that she consented and was not forced. Of course at that age, legally speaking, there is no difference, regardless of the actual nature of the relationship. I presume this was the reason for the judge's slap-down.

"Rape is rape."

Debra Lafave is probably very glad that simply isn't true.

AbigailAdams Sat 06-Oct-12 16:16:07

Uppercut your insinuations are vile.

UnChartered Sat 06-Oct-12 16:20:25


that is a despicable thing to say

Uppercut Sat 06-Oct-12 18:26:03


Feel free to explain why anything I've said is incorrect.

WofflingOn Sat 06-Oct-12 18:44:21

Uppercut, I agree that Debra Lafave was a sexual predator who groomed and had sex with a child of 14. She should have been jailed, as a man would have been for the same act with a female child.
But that was the States, and in law in England the crime of rape can only be committed by a man with a penis.

AbigailAdams Sat 06-Oct-12 18:45:17

The actual nature of the relationship is one of rapist and victim, Uppercut. That is what is "incorrect".

WofflingOn Sat 06-Oct-12 18:47:09

The crimes of the men are different to the crime of LaFave, covering trafficking and prostitution of four girls as well as sex with a minor, so there is no real comparison possible.

HotheadPaisan Sat 06-Oct-12 18:47:26

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WofflingOn Sat 06-Oct-12 18:48:12

I would say rapist and victim was the relationship between Lafave and the boy in question, whether he was willing or not.

UnChartered Sat 06-Oct-12 18:52:27

i think your reference to Wofflings statement 'Rape is Rape', then using Debra Lafave as example and then stating it 'simply isn't true' is misleading and inflammatory

like PP has stated, these men raped. they are rapists.

there are no degrees of rape.

LastMangoInParis Sat 06-Oct-12 18:54:58

What Dilys said.
If you want to be horrified, saddened and look on in appalled, nauseated disbelief at some really ugly, misogynistic rape myth bullshit coming from the mouths of people intelligent and educated enough to know very much better then go and listen to defence counsel for sex offenders in any English court.
Although, of course, these barristers are 'just doing their job.' hmm sad angry

Uppercut Sat 06-Oct-12 19:18:16

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HotheadPaisan Sat 06-Oct-12 19:22:04

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UnChartered Sat 06-Oct-12 19:26:39

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Uppercut Sat 06-Oct-12 19:31:29

I'll take it by that you can't argue against my point.

As for 'striking' I wonder what MN's position is on falsely accusing people of supporting child abusers.

AbigailAdams Sat 06-Oct-12 19:47:04

We are not discussing a 16yr old having sex with a 13 yr old. We are discussing adult men raping children. Or at least some of us were. Others are trying to muddy the waters and derail.

AbigailAdams Sat 06-Oct-12 19:59:12

And although you didn't say 'I support abusers' specifically, you did insinuate that the only thing wrong with having sex with a 13 yr old was the fact it was illegal. Which is vile.

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