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A feminist discriminating against women.....

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TheRealTillyMinto Wed 21-Sep-11 19:10:32

...oh yes... and the feminist is... me.

I run my own company in a male industry. we are small but growing and have really large, demanding clients. i am in my mid/late thirties. i want to have children. i will have to work as much as possible. thats ok as it is my choice to be an employer & women in my family have worked for generations so i grew up with a working mother, grandmothers, aunts etc.

but my company is not large enough to have me working as much as possible, and another woman on maternity leave. very few women apply for jobs in my industry, so this is only theortical, but for the time being i would not employ a women if i thought there was any chance of them needing mat leave at the same time as me.

it is a terrible thing to say but i dont have much time left so i am prioritising me & my life over the employment equality of other women.

generally speaking as an employer, i think ML is good for business as it creates change within an organisation.

your thoughts please.

SybilBeddows Wed 21-Sep-11 20:45:20

well, it's illegal, I believe.
why couldn't you hire someone temporary while the other woman is on mat leave?

meditrina Wed 21-Sep-11 20:46:46

I am sure there was a similar thread to this a little while ago.

What you describe is illegal.

pamplemousserose Wed 21-Sep-11 20:47:35


ThereBeBolloX Wed 21-Sep-11 21:25:16

Well the government pays your company more than the wage of the women on maternity leave so I don't believe you couldn't afford it.

What do you want feminists to say? We're going to think what you're doing is wrong. If you want some kind of feminist absolution for your sexist discrimination, you're looking in the right place, because I'm sure one of the tedious trolls who inhabits this place more than feminists do atm, will be along soon to assure you that you're doing the right thing and that it's ridiculous for women to expect to be able to be mothers and earn their living; but no feminist is going to tell you it's OK to deny another woman the right to earn her living because you're scared she might get pregnant.

frumpyq Wed 21-Sep-11 21:31:44

You're probably doing the right thing for your company and yourself.

What industry is it though?

Do you employ labourers who have to be built like brick shithouses?

AliceWyrld Wed 21-Sep-11 21:38:31

Right on cue hmm

frumpyq Wed 21-Sep-11 21:43:47

Do you want a cross and some garlic Alice?

Behaviour like yours is all over the feminist section.

It's not exclusive.

It's an open forum.

LeBOF Wed 21-Sep-11 21:48:15

I wish someone had warned MNHQ that their post about the Fem Section was effectively creating a Troll's Charter. I've seen it tediously parroted by trolls and friends of trolls almost gleefully ever since.

StealthPolarBear Wed 21-Sep-11 21:50:14

IN what way do you class yourself as feminist?

scottishmummy Wed 21-Sep-11 21:50:56

youre being unreasonable and and illegal,there's is dearth of cae law on ML and employers

are you being deliberately provocative?

Good question SPB.

Anniegetyourgun Wed 21-Sep-11 21:53:34

That's not feminism, it's pulling the ladder up behind you so no other bugger can get on.

TheRealTillyMinto Wed 21-Sep-11 21:57:29

this is not a question about ML in general. i have seen it work well in client organisations: if the MLer is good, others get to try to fill her shoes, if the MLer is rubbish, we get an opportunity to get the work done.

As an employer i dont have any right to ML & the govt wont pay my wage for a replacement as i am not employed. i am not sure i will even qualify for SMP.

i think i have focused on a theoretical other woman actually because i am pissed off about my own situation. i love being a female entrepreneur but the maternity side is shit.

TheRealTillyMinto Wed 21-Sep-11 22:00:10

SPB - no i am interested in the opinions

TheRealTillyMinto Wed 21-Sep-11 22:04:49

if you are a female entrepreneur, from what i understand, it is like none of the laws that feminists have fought for, exist.

AliceWyrld Wed 21-Sep-11 22:06:17

Women who are self employed get mat pay in some form.

LeninGrad Wed 21-Sep-11 22:06:55

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

frumpyq Wed 21-Sep-11 22:07:33

Interesting post.

A female employer hasn't got the same rights as her employees?

suzikettles Wed 21-Sep-11 22:12:02

Maternity Allowance.


suzikettles Wed 21-Sep-11 22:15:09

Why do you think you're a feminist btw?

edd1337 Wed 21-Sep-11 22:19:43

Message deleted by Mumsnet.

Theala Wed 21-Sep-11 22:21:23

Employers (or self-employed/freelance people) don't generally have the same rights as employees. That's what it means to be the boss, and applies whatever your sex.

suzikettles Wed 21-Sep-11 22:22:06

Sadly yes. It's not an uncommon attitude among employers of either sex.

I don't believe she's a feminist though.

TheRealTillyMinto Wed 21-Sep-11 22:55:31

you cannot compare a male boss loosing paternity leave with a woman loosing maternity leave.

if you are employed, your company gets govt money to hire your replacement. i wont get any money for a replacement.

so will have to take as little leave as possible and/or loose business & drop my income.

as feminists if i were employed telling you this, you would think it was an issue.

when i was 25 i took a 2 billion dollar profit a yr company to court for sexual discrimination. noone at work spoke to me for 3 months but i still did it because i know that sometimes it is your turn to move things forward.

i know my OP is not correct. i was not expecting agreement. i am wanting to understanding things better myself.

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