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This may not be the place for it, but SMURFS!

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PonceyMcPonce Mon 01-Aug-11 12:09:09

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TheCrackFox Mon 01-Aug-11 12:17:46

A lot of children's films seem to have 10 male characters and a token girl. She will either be very good looking, geeky, or there to "save" the male lead.

As an aside the Smurfs film, based purely on watching the trailer, looks like a huge old bag of shite.

PonceyMcPonce Mon 01-Aug-11 12:25:37

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giyadas Mon 01-Aug-11 12:32:48

Hoodwinked was a good one but it seemed the cinemas were trying to bury it. One showing of Hoodwinked vs many showings of Cars over several screens.
Agree about the smurfs trailer. It pissed me off about 3 times during it so won't be taking dd.

BertieBotts Mon 01-Aug-11 12:34:06

Smurfs was originally from the 70s though wasn't it?

And yes the trailer was toilet humour after toilet humour. Glad DS isn't old enough to pester grin

PonceyMcPonce Mon 01-Aug-11 12:37:04

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StewieGriffinsMom Mon 01-Aug-11 12:41:50

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BertieBotts Mon 01-Aug-11 12:46:54

That's interesting, though, I would have thought it would make more sense the other way around. One man and as many women as he wants to himself. I read on one of the porn threads that there has been a shift semi-recently, whereas porn used to be about one man fucking as many women as possible, now it's about as many men as possible fucking the same woman. Would the "misogynist ideal" not have been the first one back then?

differentnameforthis Mon 01-Aug-11 12:48:07

The Smurfs is an old cartoon & if I remember correctly, there only ever was 1 female smurf. With blond hair.

Looks like they are staying as true as possible to the old cartoons, how refreshing!

KRIKRI Mon 01-Aug-11 12:50:28

I don't think I can bring myself to look at the trailer, let alone see the film. I couldn't stand the smurfs the first time they came round. I think originally they were all blokes, then Smurfette was created by their enemy to try and deceive them with her "feminine wiles."

Actually, I just looked it up on wiki and it says this (gag,) "Smurfette was magically created from clay by the Smurfs' enemy, Gargamel, so that she would use her charms to cause jealousy and competition among the Smurfs in order to cause their fall. He left her in the forest and Hefty Smurf took her to the Smurf village, where she was kept out of kindness."

(I think I'm going to be sick.)

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow Mon 01-Aug-11 12:50:35

Not a silly gripe at all, OP!

In fact, the term "the Smurfette Principle" to describe exactly what you state in your first post has been coined since 1991!

TheCrackFox Mon 01-Aug-11 12:54:14

Why didn't they just make Smurfette out of a spare rib that was kicking about?

nineyearoldsarerude Mon 01-Aug-11 13:02:10

I was just showing my children some old smurf cartoons on youtube the other day (out of nostalgia). Was quite repulsed by the end of it and wished I hadn't bothered! They were all wanting to marry smurfette and at the end were all gathered around to hear her decision and she announced (or was it papa smurf?) that she was too young to get married at all.

BertieBotts Mon 01-Aug-11 13:13:13

If you're looking up smurf cartoons on youtube, be sure to avoid this: (Papa Smurf Can I Lick Your Ass?)

Full lyrics under the video if you are drawn to it like a car crash but don't want to actually listen to the vile thing.

PonceyMcPonce Mon 01-Aug-11 14:30:34

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lisianthus Mon 01-Aug-11 16:12:36

I remember seeing the episode introducing Smurfette as a kid. What annoyed me even then was that the original Smurfette created by Gargamel was a little dark-haired Smurf, and then when Papa Smurf "fixed" her, she turned into a femme fatale Smurf with long blonde hair, long eyelashes and high heels.

joaninha Mon 01-Aug-11 23:11:36

Yanbu op. I saw the poster for it at the cinema with pictures of the four main smurfs. Above the girl smurf was the caption "smurf-alicious".

Next to it was a poster for the film "bad bosses" which had pictures of the 3 male employees looking harrassed by their 3 evil bosses pictured above, one of which was a woman with a suitably power hungry sneer on her face. And the caption for her was ....... wait for it......"maneater"!!!! Such originality-amazing!!

jennyvstheworld Mon 01-Aug-11 23:37:03

This is modern feminst debate at its very best: smurfs.

Newsflash: Crappy storylines in hoary old stereotypes SHOCKER! This works both ways by the way...

KRIKRI Mon 01-Aug-11 23:37:59

Jenny, you just don't get it, do you?

jennyvstheworld Tue 02-Aug-11 00:21:48

I don't think bitching about a children's programme that's 53 years old is relevant? No. I don't think selectively picking examples of lazy stereotyping is relevant? No. Please enlighten me as to why it might be.

I just watched the SMURF trailer and discovered that the only two characters not to be involved in pratfalls (both verbal and physical) are Smurfette and the female human. In fact, the only obvious demonstration of competancy comes from Smurfette. You're right: the smurfs is sexist after all.

StewieGriffinsMom Tue 02-Aug-11 00:53:31

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jennyvstheworld Tue 02-Aug-11 00:55:25

Despicable me was ok. Gnomeo and Juliet is supposed to be very good...

joaninha Tue 02-Aug-11 00:57:34

It's the numbers. Any dumb guy characters are usually counterbalanced by positive male characters because they are more numerous. There can be no such diversity amongst female characters because they are so few.

As for making the female character super competent, this smacks of the same kind of tokenism that often applies to ethnic minority characters. Secondary characters that are too good to be true are one-dimensional. It's not a positive characteristic to be so perfect because the audience ends up finding them annoying and hoity-toity.

It feels like a platitude. We'll make the female characters beautiful and smart so no one will notice there's hardly any of them. Why can't they just up the numbers? That's the question? Well the answer is well known in Hollywood. They assume girls will watch boy characters but not vice versa.

StewieGriffinsMom Tue 02-Aug-11 01:00:37

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jennyvstheworld Tue 02-Aug-11 01:04:11

Yep - I'd go along with all of that Joaninha. I saw Bridesmaids recently and it was fantastic - yet I suspect that more people would enjoy it than would consider watching it because it's marketed as a 'chick'flick'. My personal preference is (normally) to stop giving my hard-earned cash to Hollywood and populist entertainment and aim for higher-brow where things get a bit more realistic. I think my take on all this is that a lot of what is commented on degrades all humainty (simply not too harsh at all for some of the shite we get fed) and suggesting that it's just men or just women is absurd and myopic. That's kind of why I get so teed-off with threads like this!

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