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thefinerthingsinlife Tue 11-Jan-11 16:46:48

"Page 3: a daily reminder of our status in society and what women exist for. To be ogled, scrutinised, mocked, put down, humiliated, harassed, beaten and killed. Every day we hear of heinous (sexual) crimes and injustices against women but every day Page 3 remains a celebrated iconic image in our culture. Is this some sort of joke? No, it's just patriarchy"

I've just seen this and thought it summed it up rather well

TheButterflyEffect Tue 11-Jan-11 16:50:55

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

FlamingoBingo Tue 11-Jan-11 16:54:50

I hate that 'page 3' exists, but as a libertarian-leaning feminist, I would hate to see it banned...waht is the answer?

Keep plugging away at destorying hte patriarchy so men no longer have any interest in something like 'page 3'?

thefinerthingsinlife Tue 11-Jan-11 16:57:26!/pages/Turn-Your-Back-On -Page-3/154011691309895

That's exactly it; if you dislike page 3 it's because you're jealous, and like you said it is everywhere

FlamingoBingo Tue 11-Jan-11 17:00:33

But is it page 3 you (we) object to? Or the culture that makes it relevant? SHould it be 'turn your back on a culture that thinks that page 3 is appropriate'?

sethstarkaddersmum Tue 11-Jan-11 17:02:04

the trouble with the libertarian argument that page 3 shouldn't be banned is that by exercising their right to look at it in a public place men are undermining our right to have it in our faces.

what came out for me on previous page 3 threads on MN (the one about the man looking at it in the school playground at pick-up time was an eye-opener) was that by having it in a newspaper you are redefining it as acceptable so blokes feel they can openly display it in playgrounds or on buses because it's only a newspaper.

I would not try to stop the Sun from printing page 3 but I would put pressure on newsagents to display it with lads' mags rather than newspapers and while we're at it ban soft porn including the Sun from public transport, until the editors saw sense and dropped it and the Sun could go back to being socially acceptable again.

FlamingoBingo Tue 11-Jan-11 17:02:43

I can't work out whether or not the group wants to have page 3 banned? It just says it wants the gov to 'deal with it'. Do they want a similar picture of naked men in the same paper?

thefinerthingsinlife Tue 11-Jan-11 17:04:02

Both Flamingo.

JessinAvalon Tue 11-Jan-11 21:20:02

I wound ban it. Guess I'm not very liberal! The owner of the paper wouldn't get away with it on his own country. I go to Australia regularly to visit family and people I speak to over there cannot believe that we allow a photo of a topless woman in our 'newspapers'.

Dave80 Tue 11-Jan-11 22:01:17

It's a picture of a human body. Big deal.

In countries where women casually go topless noone (including kids) seems to care or be bothered. Proof the human body is only offensive if you want it to be.

btw since you want equality, by your own logic should we make it illegal to show a photo of a topless man? Lots of men have breasts.

What do you want anyway? Turn the country into a dictatorship country like China where it's illegal to have a little fun? Lighten up.

JessinAvalon Tue 11-Jan-11 22:09:09

Absolutely Dave! Yeah lighten up everyone! So it's a barely legal girl with her tits out that's become so mainstream that men read it in the school playground when they're picking their daughters up.

Whilst we're at it, why we don't make it legal to pay a girl half your age to grind naked on your lap in a club on the high street whilst your missus sits at home watching X Factor...oh wait, we already have....

In the interests of equality, we could keep the Sun but also The Stun which we could read in front of our sons and on the train and the bus and in work. It's just a human body. No one will mind!

The Stun

sethstarkaddersmum Tue 11-Jan-11 22:10:48

have another biscuit Dave

now go back to your holt or your basket or wherever you live.

JessinAvalon Tue 11-Jan-11 22:13:52

Do you think that Dave realised that this is the feminism section and not the misogynist section? I know people do wander here by mistake sometimes!

I'm sure that Dave can teach us a thing or two about misogyny feminism.

Starting with: just because he has a different opinion, it doesn't make him wrong.

Dave80 Tue 11-Jan-11 22:15:07

What are tits? oh yeah they're fat with milk glands for feeding babies. Women have them and some men have them without the milk. Practically everyone has seen a pair whilst a baby. So what's so offensive about them?

sethstarkaddersmum Tue 11-Jan-11 22:16:45

I don't know Jess, I've already hit the ignore button.

Dave80 Tue 11-Jan-11 22:17:33

"Do you think that Dave realised that this is the feminism section and not the misogynist section"

I hate all 3 billion women in the world just because I don't agree with you? Yeah that makes a lot of sense...

I'm sure you are better than to resort to name calling.

Dave80 Tue 11-Jan-11 22:18:50

"I don't know Jess, I've already hit the ignore button."

All you are doing is showing you can't accept some people have different opinions to yourself. I would respect you more if you weren't so close-minded.

thefinerthingsinlife Tue 11-Jan-11 22:19:13

damm if only us women lightened up and had a sense of hummour.

I imagine we should be grateful that men want to ogle us/glamour models/ porn stars etc, they are only appreciating the human body after all.

Guessing if you had a daughter you'd be happy for her to be a page 3 girl Dave?

<rolls eyes>

Dave80 Tue 11-Jan-11 22:24:36

Feminism IMO should be about choice. If a woman wants to take her top off for money she should be able to do so without others telling her "no you can't do that because we don't like it".

Dave80 Tue 11-Jan-11 22:26:59

You want equality right? Doesn't that mean wherever it's legal and acceptable for a man to remove his top it should also be ok for a woman to remove her top?

thefinerthingsinlife Tue 11-Jan-11 22:28:48

So would you support your daughter if she chose to take her top off for the sole purpose of men ogling her?

JessinAvalon Tue 11-Jan-11 22:30:43

Oh god, do we have to go back to basics for this one?

Dave - have you heard of the concept of objectification? And that it's a bad thing.

Dave80 Tue 11-Jan-11 22:33:54

I would support whatever she chose to do.

And if a woman can make loads of money from men simply by removing her top then she is more likely expoliting the men not the other way round.

HerBeatitude Tue 11-Jan-11 22:35:16

Oh Dave, you're really not very sophisticated are you?

<Pats kindly on head>

<Wipes hand with disinfectant>

<Decides not to be drawn into a pointless late night trolling session and goes to bed>

Dave80 Tue 11-Jan-11 22:35:22

"have you heard of the concept of objectification?"

I disagree. A woman who poses topless isn't any less of a woman than a female author. It's just a job.

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