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Right. This is starting to jar

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sarah293 Fri 24-Sep-10 07:55:41

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marenmj Fri 24-Sep-10 08:16:14

Oh, I don't know... I find the presenter's knees terribly relevant to the morning news hmm

It IS gtting worse, although I don't think it is isolated in the news. Everything has to be 'sexy' now to compete. I am not terribly old, but I am starting to wistfully remember the days when the news lady delivered her lines in a boxy pantsuit that appeared to still have the hanger in the shoulders.

It's not just the women, the men have to be sexy too. It's just that sexy for the men means they get a slimmer-cut suit with a skinny tie, whereas the women get whole yardage of their clothes removed.

If I wasn't so tired I would probably say something about the pornification of modern media, but I'm feeling a bit ill tonight, so I won't.

vezzie Fri 24-Sep-10 10:04:30

Actually I thought the poster who started the "cleavage" thread got treated a bit roughly (but I only read the beginning bit) because I find a lot of now-normal clothes a bit off-puttingly revealing (for me, don't care who else wears 'em). I think it's my age - I'm 39 - the young women at work were brought up with Blue Peter presenters wearing what people wore in pop videos in my day. ("in my day" ha ha ha)

Although sexy stuff is normal to young people I don't think the semiotics have gone away - sadly I think it costs women some subliminal respect - and sadly I don't think many of them know it

PennyDreadful Fri 24-Sep-10 10:28:22

Alex / Christine = interchangable female presenters.

PennyDreadful Fri 24-Sep-10 10:30:50

Who act as simpering foils to 'funny bloke' presenter.

When Forsythe was ill it irritated me that they obviously didn't think Tess could handle the show on her own and called in....Ronnie Corbett...

ElephantsAndMiasmas Fri 24-Sep-10 11:16:41

This is why I miss Richard and Judy (a bit ) - she wore normal suits albeit with skirts usually.

It's always made me feel really sick (I mean always, remember talking to my mum about this as a kid) when they have those grotesque male/female pairings. And the woman is always flawless and laughing at crap jokes made by the - usually quite unusually ugly/warty/old - man.

Was looking for a clip of John Cusack the other day (yeah there was a good reason blush and came up with an interview from Regis & Kelly in the States. Makes these two look quite well matched in comparison. Don't know about Bruce and Tess as don't watch enough telly these days but FFS.

Presumably this is one of the reasons that crinkly men in their 50s and 60s think they can chat up my friends in their early twenties and hope for a positive response hmm

ElephantsAndMiasmas Fri 24-Sep-10 11:20:13

I mean, this is probably news to all of you but did you know that Men Are More Visual and so Women Are Valuable For Their Physical Attributes (brain not necessary), while in an amazing coincidence Men Get Better With Age because Women Are More Interested In Security.

Because of the cavemen.

To cheer my self up I'm trying to think of some good older woman/younger man combos that would work.

Jo Brand or Sheila Hancock or Jenni Murray for the older woman. But I am literally stumped to think of an attractive young male presenter. Suggestions?

wukter Fri 24-Sep-10 11:26:39

It somehow seems to connect with the conflation of sexy and good in the language.
The dossier was 'sexed up'.
Sexy news stories, sexier causes. Or does it connect
sorry not explained - or thought through - very well am chasing toddler

ElephantsAndMiasmas Fri 24-Sep-10 11:46:51

Actually it's pretty simple isn't it. In audio-visual communication (TV), the women are the visual part, the men the audio part. So you can listen to the witty repartee hmm of Adrian Chiles while looking at (but crucially not listening to) Christine Bleakley.

smallwhitecat Fri 24-Sep-10 11:52:51

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ElephantsAndMiasmas Fri 24-Sep-10 12:03:59

Oh go ahead SWC.

If it were true I bet the fucking cavewomen were just as pissed off with it then as we are now. They probably had blokes harking back to monkeys or something, "always had a nice banana ready when grandad got home from staring at himself in the lake"

sethstarkaddersmum Fri 24-Sep-10 15:11:00

lol @ cavemen harking back to monkeys.

I am always shouting at the television when there are --old,-- fat and ugly male presenters on - 'It's not fair - he would never have been allowed on tv looking like that if he'd been a woman!

DuelingFanjo Fri 24-Sep-10 15:15:37

see... strangely I was watching the BBC breakfast news today and couldn't help thinking how uncomfortable the Male Anchor looked in his suit, particularly when he was interviewing Julia Roberts. It made me wonder, are men on TV 'allowed' to wear anything other than a suit or shirt and trousers?

I think it's rather unfair that women are free to be fashionable and yet men have to stick to this kind of uniform.

ElephantsAndMiasmas Fri 24-Sep-10 15:25:00

"free to be fashionable" - AAHAHAHAHA <clears throat>

sorry for insane laughter, but "fashion" is by def a set of PITA rules, so kind of incompatible with the concept of "freedom". I'm sure if there were blokes on TV who wanted to wear their own style, they would be allowed to (Gok Wan, Lawrence Llewelyn-Bowen, Simon thing from Buzzcocks).

sethstarkaddersmum Fri 24-Sep-10 16:05:52

do you think they would? I don't think they are any more free than women to wear what they want - it's as if women are only allowed cream cakes and men are only allowed cheese and tomato sandwiches and neither can have the other sex's defined food. And of course you could argue that the one that gets the cream cakes is lucky because cream cakes are yummier, or you could argue that the one that gets the cheese sandwiches is lucky because cheese sandwiches are better for you.

ElephantsAndMiasmas Fri 24-Sep-10 16:20:37

Well I can only speak from my own experience of seeing men and women getting ready to go on TV programmes. IME women are in costume/hair/make-up for ages (an hour-ish?), while the men are kind of handed an outfit from a rack of very similar outfits and given a quick bit of base/powder/hair-tweaking.

And you can tell because if you see a man presenting a programme in the 1970s or the 1950s or now, barring the loss of a tie they are pretty much wearing the same stuff. It's not really relating to fashion in the same way that the women's clothes do.

But then that's true in general, you can date a picture far more by the women's haircuts than the men's usually.

mollyroger Fri 24-Sep-10 16:31:58

Riven I have watched daytime tv for two days' running as I am poorly, and I am now losing the will to live.

I find the terrible little linky bits before the adverts most annoying. All lunchbox making, hoovering while hubby dashes off to the office and taking kids to school. I know that is what life is like for millions of women but I imagine the 'audience' for those shows includes all sorts of people of both genders....

Why are the formats SO boring?
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sarah293 Fri 24-Sep-10 18:16:33

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mollyroger Fri 24-Sep-10 20:03:22

lol, I ended up happily watching Horrible Histories with ds who has same lurgy....

Bue Fri 24-Sep-10 20:41:54

This is why I watch BBC Breakfast - because Sian Williams is 45 and she sometimes wears, gasp, trousers!

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