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Writing: sexy? not sexy?

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UnquietDad Wed 15-Aug-07 11:55:40

Just spotted on Grauniad CiF and shamelessly pinched for here:


Me, once, dating a journalist: "How come 'writer' was voted, by women, one of the LEAST sexy jobs a man can do?"

Journalist: "Probably a reputation for writers being alcoholic and depressed."

Me: "But men voted it one of the MOST sexy jobs a woman can do."

Journalist: "Same again. Alcoholic and depressed. Men think 'She'll be rat-arsed AND desperate.'"


onlyWotz Wed 15-Aug-07 11:56:20

UnquietDad Wed 15-Aug-07 12:00:22

Does show an interesting contrast of priorities...

Kathyis6incheshigh Wed 15-Aug-07 12:01:50

Hmm, men do seem to like it but I'm not sure that's the only reason.
When I first did internet dating, before I was wise in the ways of the world, I mentioned in my profile that I had published a couple of short stories (a couple, mind you). I got lots of responses along the lines of 'Gosh - are you rich? Are you J.K.Rowling?'

Subsequently I decided that leaving out any reference to writing attracted far fewer men but of a far higher quality....


UnquietDad Wed 15-Aug-07 12:23:50

God, the number of times I have mentioned my desire to get into writing for children and been met with, "Oooooooh, you could be the new JK Rowlings (sic)" or, "Oooh, that JK Rowlings (sic) has done well for herself..."

To anyone who is thinking of starting their own business, I will from now on say, "Oooh, you could be like that Richard Branston (sic)."

And to anyone who works in IT, I will say, "Ooooh, that Bill Gates has done well, you could be like him."

Kathyis6incheshigh Wed 15-Aug-07 14:25:00

So are you going to write about polite well-behaved children or Jacqueline Wilson-style teens with attitude so you can get blamed for everyone's dcs' delinquency? Is searing honesty or fluffy-wuffy magic the way to go, do you think?

HappyDaddy Wed 15-Aug-07 14:32:07

I think writing is sexy. I find intelligence and creativity sexy and inspiring.

When I speak to people who say "oh, I never read", I think why not? You're missing out on so much.

expatinscotland Wed 15-Aug-07 14:33:31

DH never reads. His dyslexia is so severe it's very hard for him to do so.

But that's okay, I read enough for both of us!

doggiesayswoof Wed 15-Aug-07 14:35:15

Writing is sexy.
I can't imagine living with a full-time writer would be much fun, though.

expatinscotland Wed 15-Aug-07 14:36:09

Depends on what type of writing. Some types of writing are not sexy.

doggiesayswoof Wed 15-Aug-07 14:36:13

Do you ever read to him expat?
Dh and I have started reading to each other like a werdy Victorian couple. It's nice. We take turns to choose the book.

doggiesayswoof Wed 15-Aug-07 14:36:48


I don't know what a "werdy" couple is tbh.

expatinscotland Wed 15-Aug-07 14:37:20

No, doggie. The idea doesn't appeal to either of us, but if it works for you, brilliant!

HappyDaddy Wed 15-Aug-07 14:37:41

I meant folk who think it's boring and would rather watch Big Brother, not folk who have a medical reason.

I love reading, always have. Both my dds do too, as does DW.

We have a friend who "doesn't do the news", except local rag to see if anyone she knows is in it. She's lovely but has some very strange ideas on the world.

Kathyis6incheshigh Wed 15-Aug-07 14:38:07

Agree with what HappyDaddy says about creativity being sexy. When my dh is getting really carried away by an exciting calculation (!!!!) I find that hugely attractive. Unfortunately, of course, if I were to attempt to seduce him during one of those phases I'd get rather short shrift, I fear.

BandofMothers Wed 15-Aug-07 14:40:42

Writing is sexy as long as they're not alcoholic or depressed

UnquietDad Wed 15-Aug-07 14:45:37

Two people in the media have said, with pride, not shame, that they have never read a book. Jamie Oliver and Posh Spice.

I have no evidence that Posh is anything other than thick as the thickest of thick pigshit, from a pig called Thicke in rural Thickania. But I think Jamie Oliver puts on a bit of an act with all his lovely-jubbly shtick. And he plainly isn't stupid - anyone see the Italian series, where he was obviously not only speaking quite a bit of the language but thinking his way round things he couldn't say and using the words he knew? DW would kill for some of her Y11s to think like that.

HappyDaddy Wed 15-Aug-07 14:47:06

Jamie Oliver is clearly no fool and loves what he does.

Posh Spice does nothing and doesn't seem too keen on it either. She represents all that I don't like about our society, her ambition is merely to exist and be photographed. Then has the cheek to talk about role models.


UnquietDad Wed 15-Aug-07 14:47:09

Kathy - the answer, I think, is to do away with such arbitrary distinctions! It is much, much harder to write successfully for children than for adults, though.

doggiesayswoof Wed 15-Aug-07 14:48:16

Posh Spice has written a book though - surely she read that one?

And don't say she had help, I'm sure it was all her own work

UnquietDad Wed 15-Aug-07 14:48:25

Maybe if Posh gets any thinner she will actually dwindle to a line and then pop out of existence. And nobody will notice.

UnquietDad Wed 15-Aug-07 14:51:00



If anything kills reading in this country it'll be bloody sleb culture.

Whenever you read an article about the death of the novel, people always seem to worry unduly about the internet - whereas most of the net-savvy people I know are keen readers of paper as well.

But the whole sleb thing - their "books" are written by illiterates, for illiterates. People in other countries just cannot understand why we are so obsessed with them.

expatinscotland Wed 15-Aug-07 14:51:16

All she has to do is turn sideways to disappear.

Kathyis6incheshigh Wed 15-Aug-07 15:48:37

Jamie Oliver is dyslexic. I read a biography of him .

There are always going to be people who don't read - I can't get too wound up about that. It's the sleb culture that gets to me though - when the bookshops are full of 'bestsellers' that are decreed to be so because they have been written 'by' a sleb or have a tv series associated with them. If good writing is to flourish it needs a reasonably level playing field, so people are choosing what they buy according to quality not prettiness of author.

Doesn't Jordan have a series of pony books out? And then there are those unspeakable things Madonna wrote, which I suspect she actually did write (because of course it's so easy to write a children's book if you're as brilliant as Madonna ).

UnquietDad Wed 15-Aug-07 16:05:00

Is he really? I didn't know that. I don't think he said that in the "Parkinson" interview where he sounded proud of not having read a book!

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