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Should I consider lighter life?

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dollywashers Sun 21-Apr-13 21:35:30

I am several stone overweight and a size 20. Have been for years. I've messed around with a million diets, losing 1-2 stone then getting demotivated cos it takes so bloody long.

My main worry is maintaining it after. Anyone got any thoughts? Aibu to think this could be a solution?

higgle Fri 26-Apr-13 15:59:06

Horrible excrutiating pain under ribs to the centre/right, nothing shifts it - painkillers don't work, moving or trying hot or cold applications no good. I also get very clammy. It was far worse the first time it happened when I had almost flourescent lucozade coloured urine and very pale poo too. I don't get it anymore because I've lost a bit of weight sensibly and will never ever try to eat up so much left over French cheese again.
The only other foodstuff apart from cheese that has affected me was one of those fried starter platters in a dodgy pub.

My doctor did recommend surgery but when I asked what would happen if I said no she said it might go away if I was sensible with what I ate, and she was right on that one.

WallyBantersYoniBox Fri 26-Apr-13 09:31:12

Off topic Higgle what symptoms do you get?

Whenever my dh eats cheese in a decent quantity, (uncooked mainly) I can guarantee he will end up with his head down the toilet bowl in the middle if the night. Usually when he's half asleep and unable to focus on his aim too.

I am absolutely ok with DC and vomit, but I lose my sympathy with DH!

higgle Fri 26-Apr-13 09:14:06

If you have gallstones already they might not be causing you any problems. If you then change your eating habits dramatically you can create a situation where the gall stones get flushed out and cause problems. I have gallstones but nly get problems with them if I eat enormous quantities of cheese (only do that in France, and never again) or when I've started a diet and started eating very little indeed. Now I've learned the triggers I don't suffer anymore.

BadgersNadgers Thu 25-Apr-13 16:44:48

Interesting point about gallstones Wally one of the people I know who went on the LL diet has developed them!

WallyBantersYoniBox Thu 25-Apr-13 14:57:49

I think when the leading UK expert in Obesity studies gives evidence in an inquiry and targets these diets as a cause of death for certain individuals it isn't scaremongering.

People have a right to hear all the aspects of the diet good or bad. Nobody gets ill eating one or two less potatos and going for a gentle walk.

The bad points of these diets are the proven risks of arrythmia and gallstones, and the good being a possible reduction in diabetes and high blood pressure from losing the weight. It has been proven that high quality protein along with a VLCD can be better for the system, which is why at the beginning of this thread I suggested she try the Lighter Life Lite version and have a meal a day at least.

If a director of finance was in serious financial difficulty and owed massive debts you'd have no faith in his abilities to run a profitable company.

If the CEO of a company, who started the diet to lose weight herself, cannot keep to a healthy BMI (and 35 is not a good BMI btw - she is still morbidly obese) then I would have no faith in the diet.

Spamspamspam Thu 25-Apr-13 13:24:50

Dolly - also wanted to add that you could try slim and save - it's exactly the same, less than half price and they deliver to your home next working day. My friend has just lost a stone in 2 weeks by having 3 packs a day and one low carb meal a day - there is help in the packs to keep you on track on what you can and can't have.

Spamspamspam Thu 25-Apr-13 13:15:49

Wally but she did lose weight - she lost 9 stone so it was obviously a success! She was clearly VERY overweight in her first picture and although it doesn't say how much she originally weighed it looks like she was over 20 stone, it states she is now about 14 stone. Although she is still overweight it might be her choice to stay at 14 stone - who knows!

Not sure how you can say the diet wasn't a success with those numbers confused

But as I KEEP repeating if the person who loses weight does not adjust their eating post diet irrespective of the diet then they are only going to gain the weight - this is the same whatever diet you choose, there is no magical formula in a VLCD that makes someone put on weight quicker after following the diet.

It can be a very good option for a lot of people and should not be discounted with scaremongering through ignorance.

Viviennemary Wed 24-Apr-13 16:49:47

I can see why people might think if you don't have the willpower for weightwatchers you won't for a vlcd. But it did work for me where weightwatchers didn't. I couldn't have biscuits,sweets, chocolate, crisps and so on. So there were no treats. So it worked better for me than being allowed this and that and having to count it all. So not being allowed any biscuits was easier than being allowed one or two.

WallyBantersYoniBox Wed 24-Apr-13 16:25:37

Spam The CEO actually did do the diet. That's how she ended up being involved in the programme. She invented the diet for herself and the other business partner.

The pictures on line were here "before and after pictures" of herself which she used to market the whole company.

She even invented the whole CBT therapy that went with the eating plan.

So if she prescribed the plan, and formulated the strategy, went on the diet because she wanted to lose the weight and yet still can't keep it off, regardless of expense (she is a millionaire in the Cayman islands with access to the product - whereas most people would say they didn't have the time or money to do the diet) then it doesn't say a lot about the success of the program really does it?

Fluffy1234 Wed 24-Apr-13 15:37:19

I think you can get good results by eating proper meals and cutting the carb bit so for instance have a roast dinner and either have no roast potatoes or just one or two. I did my own diet plan and went from obese to normal BMI. I felt funny for a few days and then didn't find it to difficult. Lighterlife type diets are so expensive. The money could buy really nice food such as prawns and chicken breasts. I know dieting is really difficult but I found nothing worked until I had a lightbulb moment and took responsibility for what my hand was putting into my mouth.
Good luck.

Spamspamspam Wed 24-Apr-13 15:19:33

Wally - you are not starving yourself on this kind of diet. Effectively you are low carbing with reduced calories. This kind of diet promotes ketosis and once in ketosis the body will start using all of the excess fat in your body for its energy instead of using the carbohydrates and calories by food and in some cases excess food which is only going to get stored as even more fat.

I have seen someone starve to death - last year my father got down to about 5 stone and had no reserves and therefore his organs packed up and he eventually passed away, the body has to get down to this kind of weight to eventually stop working.

With an obese person or someone with a lot of fat reserves they are not going to "starve" as they have plenty of fat reserves that can be used for energy instead of the daily carbs/calories that would normally have.

By using a diet like this the fat reserves are going to be reduced quicker than on a reduced calorie diet like WW or similar. Simply because Weight Watchers will put you on about 1400 calories a day but a system like this will reduce that to about 600-800, therefore a 600-800 additional deficit of calories a day is going to mean you lose an extra 1lb or 2 from any other diet.

The "argument" that the CEO is obese is quite bizarre - so what? She chooses not to use her own products and I don't blame her - you have to be hardcore to take on a diet like this but if you are willing to its going to result in a far quicker weight loss than any other system. The same argument can be had for ANY dieter on ANY diet - a lot of people gain weight after dieting because they simply do not know what normal is and that is what made them big in the first place.

WallyBantersYoniBox Wed 24-Apr-13 13:37:49

Sorry to post a DM link but I can't find the Huffington one I originally read

They are more dangerous than long term weightloss, and you do loss muscle in the starvation mode. The body will try and convert to fat storage as soon as you eat, and I don't think it's great for your psyche to actually starve yourself for so long.

They are also targeted at super obese people, who have a whole host of eating issues that should be tackled through eating real food, I think and understanding the real food choices that are good decisions. This kind of diet doesn't teach you about that properly.

When I pointed out to a friend that she could have two chicken breasts for the equivalent of the butter she had put on two crumpets she was horrified. But she saw herself eating "ordinary" portions.

Interestingly enough, the woman with all the motivation to make this succeed - the CEO is morbidly obese.

higgle Wed 24-Apr-13 13:06:18

Sorry re typos, some of my (previous) bad eating crumbs are stuck in my keyboard!

higgle Wed 24-Apr-13 13:05:06

I'm trying Alimming World at the moment. I tend to yo yo between 9 and just under 13 stone, and have been up and back down 3 times in the last 10 years. Sometimes I stay at 9 ish for a year or so buteventually it all goes back on. OP, being realistic a quick weight loss option won't work for you, you have a track record of giving up. With SW or WW even if you lost a pound a week you would be over 4 stone lighter this time next year and with good prospect of staying that way.
As i am also very concerned abou tmaintenance I've joined a group in a village near where I live. The SW members there include a lot who are at target and still go every week, they seem a friendly lot.

My thoughts this time round are that I'll stick to the diet ( which is quite easy) lose 1 or 2 lb a week until I'm just under 9 stone and then go every week for weigh in and lecture in the hope that I will not put it all back on again. I think some of us have to view this probalem in the same wqy that alcoholics do and keep getting support even when we are "abstinent" of poor eating choices and pig outs.

I only know one person who did LL - she is a consultant now and has kept the weight off, but it is her livlihood to promote the brand, which ma account for it.

Spamspamspam Tue 23-Apr-13 12:08:42

I really hate all the scaremongering with these types of diets. Whatever weight loss system you choose OF COURSE you will put on weight if you go back to how you were eating before - there is nothing scientific about these types of weight loss programmes that makes people put the weight on quicker once they finish the diet it is pure and simple - people go back to their old eating habits which made them fat in the first place.

I know loads of people who put on weight after weight watchers, slimming world, their own diet system and that's the reason so many of these companies are still in business because people have to go back to them time and time again because they never truly address their bad eating habits once they have finished dieting.

If you are going to do it good luck - you will lose weight a lot quicker than if you followed another plan, however you MUST follow a maintenance plan once you have finished. You can do this yourself by working out your BMR at your goal weight and ensuring you eat within that FOREVER.

Wannabestepfordwife Mon 22-Apr-13 11:54:32

My stepdad has been on it twice and is 2 stone heavier than he was to begin with he's also aged 10 years from doing them and is contemplating getting a neck lift from the damage caused by losing weight too quickly.

If you could afford ll would you be able to see a private dietician my dgf saw one who did all meal plans where he could eat and exercise plans he lost 6 stone and kept it off untill he became less active due to age

YoniMeKateMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 22-Apr-13 11:41:14

Hi all,

We're going to move this to our weight loss topic in a mo, as we think it's the best place for it.

EhricLovesTeamQhuay Mon 22-Apr-13 10:14:18

I'd advise you to try 5:2 or 4:3 instead. You only fast 2/3 days a week so it is sustainable, you can eat a normal meal in fast days and it has genuine health benefits.

CheeryCherry Mon 22-Apr-13 10:05:58

I like the idea of a quick fix too, surely we all would, if it worked long term. However I know it's all in my head, I over eat, I'm greedy, it is down to me to stop. I know what to do, how to eat healthily.
Sadly it's just easier said than done.
Need my jaws wiring....for ever blush

MadameJosephine Mon 22-Apr-13 10:03:03

I did LL about 7 years ago and went from 16 stone to 10 and a half in just under 5 months. My hair and skin were fantastic, I think because of all the water you have to drink and I felt incredible. I am an intelligient woman and a HCP so i am well aware if the calories in/calories out thing but the counselling helped me to recignise that i am definitely an emotional eater and the reasons for it. The first copper of weeks I felt so hungry I could've chewed my own arm off but after that it was fine, in fact I felt a bit euphoric sometimes and was so proud of myself for having taken control of myself.

BUT I thought I was clever and to save money I left as soon as I got to goal as I didn't feel I needed the management phase where they help you to start eating again. BIG mistake, I put most of the weight back on over the next 3-4 years and am still 15 stone now sad

specialsubject Mon 22-Apr-13 09:49:57

'It's taken me years of yo yo dieting to arrive at the knowledge that diets DO work. But only while you're on them.'

what a glaringly sensible comment.

all those who say 'I lost xx on the babble-babble regime, it worked really well but I put the weight on again' - well, it didn't work, did it?

nobody sells diets or runs support groups for their health, or yours. They do it for MONEY. Nothing wrong with that but you don't have to pay to lose weight.

CiderwithBuda Mon 22-Apr-13 09:44:41

Interesting reading this. I'm doing WW and did really well last year and lost 33 pounds between Jan and June. Since then I have been gaining and losing the same 5 pounds or so. Really frustrating and all my own fault. Very tempted to try one of the VLCD now. We go on holiday beg of July and I was thinking of doing a VLCD for may and June.

DH needs to lose weight too and he likes low carb - maybe that would be better.

I am pretty fed up with myself. If I had stuck to WW properly I would be at goal now. Why oh why can I not stick to it? I was doing so well and I was really happy. I keep promising myself to get back to basics with WW and tend to be ok during the week but the weekend comes and out comes the wine and out goes the willpower.

Am also tempted to try hypnosis to try and help.

BlackAffronted Mon 22-Apr-13 09:42:00

I couldnt do it, though I have considered it in the past in desperate moments. Instead, I joined the Bootcamp threads on here and have now lost 2 stone while eating yummy food. I am an emtional eating, I love food and I can see myself eating this way forever (especially after reading the scinece behind low carb).

Fluffy1234 Mon 22-Apr-13 09:35:31

Big congrats to your DH mistlethrush.

mistlethrush Mon 22-Apr-13 09:24:19

DH has lost over 8st on the Dukan diet - he's viewing this as a diet for life and is enjoying eating his (real) food. I'm doing 5:2 and similarly viewing it as a diet for life that I can maintain.

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