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Fluffanstuff Sun 21-Oct-12 22:40:56

Okay I know it sounds like an over reaction . I have training in nutrition and diet so I know whats good and whats not. Im engaged and want to loose a bit of weight before getting married . I've been 'large' my whole life. I get cross when I look at the scales im not particularly tall but my weight is quite heavy for the size clothes I fit in. Im not worried about the weight but want to shrink dress sizes. The thing is I work with lots of families in the area that I live in . many of the mums go to the local weight loss clubs w.w. etc. and I wouldnt feel happy mixing my personal and work life in that area.
I eat healthily and am on my feet most of the day. I have really bad anemia and sometimes I can resort to a small chocolate bar and a glass of coke just to get me through the last hour of work. In my job I can't eat little and often. I start work at 8.15 and half 20 mins for lunch at 11.30 and then dont finish till gone 4.
I also have loads of case work to take home which effects what excersize I can do in the evenings. I had chronic fatigue a few years ago and lost 3 stone within 2 weeks I was THAT ill. Food = energy and in order to just survive a day through week my food intake did go up. Now a couple of years on its levelled out and I wouldn't say my intake or portions are large ? How can I loose weight im getting so demotivated sad ...scuse spelling so tired !

cathyandclaire Mon 22-Oct-12 08:55:35

Have you checked out the Low-carb Bootcamp threads?
It may work because the food tends to keep you full for longer so would fit your routine, if you could get organised to take lunches to work etc.
It takes a little getting your head round at the beginning and the first week is tricky (but then isn't every diet) but you see quick results and then settle into a routine and it doesn't feel like a diet at all.
I'm a doctor and have been rather iffy about low-carb in the past but this seems to emphasise veggie/salad and I've felt good on it.
The book 'Idiot Proof Diet' is a great place to start...worth a look anyway. Good luck!

TalkinPeace2 Mon 22-Oct-12 14:53:06

are you taking iron supplements for the anaemia?
I used pregaday and it was like a happy pill - especially after DS was born and I was feeding him.
It even brought my blood pressure UP to normal for a while.

also, LOTS of fluids - how much water and milk are you drinking?

Fluffanstuff Mon 22-Oct-12 22:55:45

I dont drink milk have always had a lot of problems with lactose so I have soya alternatives where I can. On really high iron , my body has this thing where it dosn't absorb it properly ... no ones ever done anything about it , though so I could take like 10 a day and I would still be low. Its not my haemoglobin ??? I have an problem with , its the other one .Around 4 years ago I nearly got rushed in for a blood transfusion , I drink around a litre of water during my work day , a cup of black tea in the morning , and a glass or two of squash at dinner.
I've had a try at the low carb and I always pack my lunches or take soup to heat with a bit of protein to help me feel full.
I think the low carb might work I get really bad headaches and feel a bit depressed when I come of them though , I don't eat carbs after 6 and I dont like bread or pasta anyway so not really a carb fiend , just if I cut them out completely I get a stonking headache.

I don''t know wether im just not healthy enough to 'diet' but im sure if I lost weight it would help with my energy levels so its a real toss up. I think im going to go to my GP, and see if there's a solution there, just kind of had enough now.

Thankyou both though

frenchfancy Tue 23-Oct-12 08:37:10

Check out the 5:2 threads. You only "diet" for 2 days a week so it is much easier than low carbing. It isn't super quick weight loss, but slow and steady and has lots of other health benefits too.

BigBroomstickBIWI Tue 23-Oct-12 09:06:31

Fluffanstuff - I would also recommend joining the low carb Bootcamp (well I would, wouldn't I, seeing as wot I started it! grin). But reading your posts it struck me how well it could suit you, and how it might address some of the issues you seem to have:

"I have training in nutrition and diet so I know whats good and whats not"

IMVHO and E, this means you are likely to have been taught that carbs are good and fat is bad. (Forgive me if this is not the case when it comes to you!).

"many of the mums go to the local weight loss clubs w.w. etc. and I wouldnt feel happy mixing my personal and work life in that area."

What about your local gym/leisure centre/pool - they can't all be there all the time! To be honest, this sounds like a bit of an excuse. And I can assure you that all that people would think if they see you at the gym/leisure centre/pool is that you're putting into practice what you're telling them!

"I eat healthily and am on my feet most of the day. I have really bad anemia and sometimes I can resort to a small chocolate bar and a glass of coke just to get me through the last hour of work. In my job I can't eat little and often."

I appreciate you have anaemia. But how is eating chocolate and drinking Coke part of a healthy diet?! All that sugar will see your blood sugar levels spiking and then dropping very swiftly - leading you to feel worse, and making you feel hungry. And eating little and often isn't necessarily all that good for you - constant little spikes of blood sugar and therefore insulin, and therefore fat. If you can, eating 3 meals a day without snacking may be better for your weight in the longer term.

"I also have loads of case work to take home which effects what excersize I can do in the evenings"

I sympathise. But is this every evening? All evening? You couldn't even fit in a half an hour walk? What would you advise your own patients here?

"I had chronic fatigue a few years ago and lost 3 stone within 2 weeks I was THAT ill. Food = energy and in order to just survive a day through week my food intake did go up. Now a couple of years on its levelled out and I wouldn't say my intake or portions are large ? How can I loose weight im getting so demotivated ...scuse spelling so tired !"

You need to be eating food that will keep your blood sugar levels stable, so that you get through the day feeling energised. Of course food is energy, but you need to be getting the right energy, not just eating sugary snacks/drinks, so that you are getting the most out of what you're eating without putting on weight.

"I think the low carb might work I get really bad headaches and feel a bit depressed when I come of them though , I don't eat carbs after 6 and I dont like bread or pasta anyway so not really a carb fiend , just if I cut them out completely I get a stonking headache."

Low carbing isn't about cutting out carbs completely. You are encouraged to eat your carbs in the form of vegetables and salad. It's about re-balancing your diet and the proportions, so you're switching from carbs:protein:fat to fat:protein:carbs. What you have experienced with your headaches is carb withdrawal, which is common in the first few days, but should pass once your body is used to it. It suggests, though, that you're eating a lot of carbs normally, if you react like this when you cut them out.

"I don''t know wether im just not healthy enough to 'diet' but im sure if I lost weight it would help with my energy levels so its a real toss up."

IMVHO, eating low carb is a much healthier way of eating, which has weight loss as an additional benefit. I suspect most people on the Bootcamp threads would confess to having a much better diet now they are low carbing than before! I can't see how your health issues would stop you losing weight.

"I think im going to go to my GP, and see if there's a solution there, just kind of had enough now."

You sound really fed up, and my comments are meant to be helpful and encouraging. I hope that your GP can help you, but I suspect he/she will not recommend low carbing as it's something that few doctors know that much about. I was very interested in cathyandclaire's own admission here!

If you want to know more about low carbing and how it can help deal with all manner of health issues, least of which is weight loss, get hold of a copy of "Escape the Diet Trap" by Dr John Briffa. It is a complete revelation! His blog is worth reading as well

SCOTCHandWRY Tue 23-Oct-12 14:51:01

Carbs... "*just if I cut them out completely I get a stonking headache*".

Sounds like a good reason to cut them out! have you tried removing different carbs from your diet to see which on gives you withdrawal headaches? Most likely, it's wheat (either gluten or lectin).

"*I have training in nutrition and diet so I know whats good and whats not*"

MMMmmm - but what we are taught is healthy, and what the human body evolved to eat, are two very different things! Your healthy diet may be what's making you sick!

And YY to everything Bigbroomsticksaid.

bacon Tue 23-Oct-12 17:16:59

You need to plan your meals and batch cook. Its almost impossible to find the time and energy to cook from scratch everynight. You need to get into the habit of cook one, freeze one and slow cooking is great. Get a timer and use a slow cooker so you can have a nice casserole ready when you get home. I use a timer on the home oven now. You'll have more time to prepare good packed lunches for the next day. Watch your fruit intake too.

Personally, I given up on the low carb - yes its great but it doesnt work for us. It limits what you can eat, the choices and expensive. I tend to cut down and concentrate on wholemeal pasta/breads, brown rice etc and find them very filling. Its great if you can stick to it, have time but just couldnt keep it up with the madness of family life.

Fluffanstuff Tue 23-Oct-12 18:49:11

I think I may well have a problem with wheat , as I Cant eat bread and pasta as it makes my tummy all swollen and then I feel all stodgey and blergh. Im hoping its something my GP will help me look into.It is like banging a head against a brick wall though.
And I have training in nutrition but I also live in family full of chefs and foodies. Personally I dont see how munching on seeds and 2 nuts for breakfast can possibly be healthy...or balanced and thats not my diet at all. I eat high protein breakfast like scramble eggs and smoked salmon and then a couple of oatcakes , Lunch is normally a chunky homemade soup with a variety of veg in and a bit of chicken. I try to be healthy in the way that I cook my foods grilling rather than frying etc. and make my own rather than buy ready made. and have the attitude that everythings is ok for you in moderation. Dinner is normally something out the slow cook pot like a lamb tagine and I dont like rice etc. What im eating isnt unhealthy its balanced, apart from my diet coke and freddo.

Thanks bacon , I use my slow cooker loads as my other half does shift work and it means I don't have to make 2 different dinners and dont resort to junk and quick food !

I walk to work 3 times a week , I cant work more as I need my car for work on the other 2 days. its 20 mins each way. and its on the way home I have a diet coke and a freddo.

I have a swim pass and go to the adult swimming sessions late evenings if i've completed my work for the day and have time between that and bed. (Mon-friday) Wednesday evening cant fit anything in as I have management meetings 6-8. I normally manage 2 swims a week. When im not travelling im on my feet all day at work.

I have roughly around 2and a half hours paperwork to complete after a day on the job that I do at home , its really no different than working late at the office just I dont have the option to do it at the office. Dont do it ... I lose my job and can have detrimental consequences for lots of families I work with.

As you can see my diet isn't particularly high in carbs the veggies in my soup tend to be things like leeks , green veg , sweetcorn etc rather than potatoes , although it depends what ive got available. I tend to not buy it.

I also have to think about my partner when I make meals , I cant afford to make two different everythings , he does loads of manual work and burns of his calories during his shifts. I buy carby things for him to have as an add on to what I eat so like tonight I have lamb tagine , he will have rice with his and I will have some puy lentils which help me to feel full and I actually like the taste of them.

Weekends I have a jamie oliver 30 min meal but make it for 2 on a saturday night they tend not to be very carb heavy , similar breakfasts and like a fresh salad for lunch tuna nicoise or something.

Friday nights are my treat nights after ive done my paperwork .

BigBroomstickBIWI Tue 23-Oct-12 19:12:39

Well, something clearly isn't working for you, is it?

You may not be eating rice or bread or pasta, but I bet if you totted everything else up, your diet is still high in carbs.

And there is nothing wrong with fat, by the way!

I eat low carb all the time now. The family eats the same as me - although sometimes they have potatoes or pasta/rice/bread - I just omit that part. So I'm never making two lots of food.

It is absolutely your prerogative to ignore me (grin - lots of people do!), but you sound both defensive and defeatist. If you're determined that nothing is working, then nothing will work ...

blue2 Tue 23-Oct-12 19:26:46

Fluff

I think that BigBroomstick has several valid points in her posts, although I am not following the Low Carb plan.

I do something similar called Zest 4 Life which is an eating plan devised by Patrick Holford. It has revolutionised my energy levels, and my diet consists of little carb (and very unrefined if I do eat them), lots of protein inc pulses, most veg (but def NO potatoes) and selected fruits that are low in sugars. I've also stopped drinking any caffeine, and eat no refined sugar.

Its all about keeping your blood sugars stable ALL DAY. You surely can take a handful of nuts to eat on the way home?!

Lastly, you may well be allergic to something(s) that you're eating. Wheat poses a problem for you and dairy, too. I'd do a York Test to see what else you're eating that's playing havoc with your system.

It will be the food you eat and what you drink that is causing you to feel so bad. I'm pretty sure of it.

You've taken the effort to post here, so you must want to find a way through all this. Be positive. Make a start and make time for YOU and your body.

You can do it Girl!

BikeRunSki Tue 23-Oct-12 19:41:51

I have recently started Slimming World to loose 2.5 stone. I have always thought I ate healthily, and going by SW I seem to.The main changes I have made are not eating bread and portion sizes. Very easy plan to follow. Maybe try that? I also don't want to run into people I know at group meetings, so I go to one in a different area.

Fluffanstuff Tue 23-Oct-12 19:46:49

Sorry I really didnt mean to sound defensive I am appreciative of support and ideas , I think I was rush typing, didn't read it back and it does sound shitty. ... apologies.

I think I'm just stuck in a rut, my fiance just dosn't get the whole thing which can be hard when your trying to stick to something , I have a doc appointment on friday to discuss allergy testing , I think once thats done its going to give me a good base to start , then Ill know where to go.

I should have just had it done ages ago but sometimes it takes a while for push come to shove and you hear about this works for so and so etc. so you give it a try and then well then you end up here !!

I have a long term goal to aim towards though so once ive got a good base to start from I think ill find it easier.

Will let you know how I get on smile

BigBroomstickBIWI Tue 23-Oct-12 20:27:30

'salright, Fluffandstuff smile

You do sound really fed up about the whole thing, which I totally get. It just seems so overwhelming sometimes, doesn't it?

Hope all goes well with the GP.

blue2 Tue 23-Oct-12 21:31:42

I'd push for allergy testing on foods via your GP. Hopefully that will make a difference.

eurowitch Tue 23-Oct-12 21:39:45

Calorie count. If you don't want to do it long term, at least do it (completely honestly) for a week). It will show you where you are going wrong.

I would have said today was a fairly light day for me - museli for breakfastl, restaurant salad for lunch, cheese and crackers for dinner, plus fruit and one chocolate bar for snacks. But I am still 500 cals over my target - two glasses of wine and some bread with my salad at lunch took care of that. I haven't eaten particularly heavily but the cals really add up.

Myfitnesspal is free. I prefer weightlossresources but it is a subscription site.

Fluffanstuff Tue 23-Oct-12 22:46:12

I have done a couple of weeks of food diaries before , apart from my friday treat night , which isn't ever too over indulgent nothing really jumped out. I don't tend to drink mid week and will only have a glass at the weekend though I know that my mum had an issue with that when she lost weight. I think a glass of red is like 250 calories or something !
Just downloaded myfitnesspal .. looks good.
I wont buy my freddo tomorrow and take an apple instead lol. !

SCOTCHandWRY Thu 25-Oct-12 13:37:05

Fluffandstuff - you don't need the GP to tell you/test you for wheat/other allergies - the test may not pick it up anyway. exclude individual things (in the case of wheat, that will mean very careful label reading), for 2 or 3 weeks, then eat some and see what happens!

TheHumancatapult Thu 25-Oct-12 14:17:55

Check your portion size and i mean weigh it for a couple oc weekyou may be eating more than you think be very honest what you are eating

There is a diet there that work for you just need try few to find one that works . Also litre of water is not enough that can add to exhaustion

And am going ti be brutal stop making excuses to why you can't because your always going to find one . ( I know I had been doing the same for years ) and start doing it even if it's only very small changes at first

I'm another that gave up gluten just out of interest and it helped then I had couple says when had some and well I won't be repeating that one

BigBroomstickBIWI Thu 25-Oct-12 15:19:35

As SCOTCH says, too, you don't need to see a GP to find out if you are allergic to anything. Just cut it out and see how it makes you feel.

A really good book to read, if you think you have a problem with wheat specifically, is Zoe Harcombe's "The Harcombe Diet". It is, essentially, a low carb diet, but she talks about three specific conditions which she believes causes weight gain - food intolerances, candida and hypoglycaemia.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 25-Oct-12 17:04:36

OP
Have a go at 5:2 - there is a shiny new thread to join.
If nothing else it works because MEN get it - in fact the buggers lose weight quicker than we women do.
So your household meals change, rather than just yours.

MegBusset Thu 25-Oct-12 19:35:25

Er sorry but the only way allergy can be accurately diagnosed is by a blood test or skin-prick test. An exclusion diet (under the supervision of an allergy specialist and preferably a dietician too) can help give some evidence towards a possible allergy but is not enough by itself. if you have reason to think you have an allergy (such as hives/vomiting/diarrhoea when you eat something) then get your GP to refer you for testing.

On the weight loss front I would really recommend tracking what you eat and your exercise on Myfitnesspal if only for a few days. It is really easy to eat more than you burn off, and even a small excess will lead to long-term weight gain.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 25-Oct-12 19:40:43

most allergies are not
they are food intolerances or instabilities in the gut flora

BigBroomstickBIWI Thu 25-Oct-12 23:25:17

I will, however, be honest with you, fluff, and say that I think you're hiding behind the idea of this being some kind of allergy.

Fluffanstuff Fri 26-Oct-12 17:57:22

Im far from using it as an excuse I know what I have to do to loose weight . and without sharing my whole medical history with you all I can't just cut things out without having a decent reason to do so.
I spent 3 solid years of my life battling with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome which is similar to M.E. and its been a long hard slog piecing my life back together.
Food = Energy any big changes in what i eat / the way I eat need to be carefully considered which is why I'm going to see my GP. However many GP's don't know much about nutrition or vitamins and my reason for posting on here was to see if anyone had any different perspectives that I could put forward to my GP.
I'm not grossly over weight if it comes out that If I Change my eating habits it could set my CFS off again I just won't do it.
I cant do 'more' exercise for anyone thats had CFS or ME they will completely understand you know your limit , if I do more I can end up getting ill and its just not worth ruining my lively hood even if I do feel shit that I don't look good in what I want to in the greater scheme of things it just dosn't matter.

Like I say I posted to gain a few different ideas .Thank you to those who have posted with practical advice / book suggestions

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