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We always eat above our BMR with MFP, We SAFTFBS and we are EMTWL.

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ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 11:52:15

If you've poked your head around the door of this thread then please read ourOld Thread, read all the posts, all the links and the links within links and then jump in with both feet to a new, better Way Of Eating (WOE)

Roll Up, Roll Up for the all new, amazing thread for those of us who are trying to eat good, healthy, natural foods while counting our calories and eating LOADS!

We had some brilliant successes on the last thread - inches AND pounds lost and lots of people feeling happier, calmer and more focussed on their goals.

Remember that this is NOT a DIET, it is a healthy way of eating. You will NOT lose 5lbs a week - you might even GAIN weight in the first weeks!

TobyLerone Mon 11-Jun-12 11:58:46

<runs in>

<flops down, exhausted>

<eyes fudge>

bunjies Mon 11-Jun-12 12:17:33

Thanks Shirley & great title.

Right, kids back at school and so went swimming this morning for the first time in ages. Did 40 mins of breaststroke but forgot my goggles so wasn't my usual sleek style <collapses laughing hysterically>. MFP says I used about 400 cals so am happy with that. Also, walked back which took 30 mins so pleased with that too although was in the pissing rain and got soaked.

Back to work tomorrow and as I have early starts (up at 6 and at work for 8) usually take breakfast in. So will be doing the fridge oatmeal which I make with 30g oats, 150g greek yoghurt, tbsp of honey/maple syrup and a couple of handfuls of frozen fruit. Overnight the fruit melts and is delish. Had mango this morning and will probably have strawbs/blueberries tomorrow. I do have to add a splash of milk though to loosen it up though.

Lunch today will be a M&S simply fuller longer meal as I'm doing the Mumsnet product test thingy so am having keralan chicken. Looks interesting and about 370 cals so not bad.

On the subject of what to eat for breakfast if you don't like eggs etc I'm a believer that breakfast food doesn't have to be breakfasty IYSWIM. So you could have a wholemeal tortilla wrap with ham, avocado and salad or smoked mackerel. Or how about making a dip by mixing smoked mackerel or some tuna with cream cheese or getting some hummus and having it with oak cakes or veg crudites.

Hope everyone has a great start to the week grin.

addictediam Mon 11-Jun-12 12:25:37

Oooo nice new home, not doing well today, all I've eaten is a slice of homemade banana bread and I've been pinned down ever since by a sleeping baby. I'm hoping to slip away leaving her on the bed and I think for lunch its going to be a cheese sandwich, dried fruit, mixed nuts and carrot sticks.

I was planning on going on a run this evening but with the rain I think I may just do some wii zumba instead grin

Maryz Mon 11-Jun-12 12:28:17

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ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 12:43:10

I've been rubbish as well Mary! I've gone up a belt notch - but, but, BUT! I think this is probably a bit of water retention. grin

<sucks in stomach>

ceebeegeebies Mon 11-Jun-12 12:55:52

Just checking into this thread smile

Am feeling so motivated by the losses people have had and the fact that I rarely feel hungry anymore, and if I do, I just have a handful of nuts which I adore but have always been forbidden food before grin

I am going on holiday in 6 weeks so am hoping I lose some before then - not that it is likely that I will need a swimming costume as we are only going to the south coast grin

AllMuddledUp Mon 11-Jun-12 13:06:20

Just quickly marking place, having a mega busy day. Be back later!

foosty Mon 11-Jun-12 13:19:19

ooh, shiny new thread!

feeling knackered right now...trying to motivate myself to go and do some kind of exercise when really I just want a nap...

been good with food though. might skip the gym. Have walked about 1 mile a toddler's pace. does that count?

how do you get yourself moving when you're dead beat?

SeventhEverything Mon 11-Jun-12 13:51:37

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ShotgunNotDoingThePans Mon 11-Jun-12 13:57:00

That's awful Seventh - I was just remembering this morning when we had the floods in Glos a few years ago. Not that we were flooded, but we had no water for a good week/10 days, and restricted travel. I've never been thrilled to arrive at a campsite before but I was that year!

Hope the worst doesn't happen.

amalur Mon 11-Jun-12 14:04:04

Checking in. I have eaten the nuts I was saving for snacking already...

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 14:09:06

foosty - I think just knowing that I'll get a big old energy boost AFTER exercise helps to motivate me.

seventh - ARGH! I'm crossing my legs, fingers, toes <cramp!> and eyes that all will be well.

I work next to a river and it's running at the highest level I've ever seen it ( in 5 years!!), this is after it being at the very lowest just a month or two ago (the rocks in the river bed were drying out shock).

Fucking. Rain.

bunjies Mon 11-Jun-12 15:09:30

Oh shit Seventh - fingers crossed for you. All that lugging stuff upstairs must surely be worth a few hundred cals on MFP wink <grasps at silver lining straw>.

I hate this rain too. It's the middle of fucking June for fucks sake angry.

Quite impressed with the M&S ready lunch thing. Not bad tasting and quite filling although I wouldn't think it would be enough for me for dinner. Would probably bulk it out with more veg.

Have spent most of the afternoon shifting furniture around in ds' pit room. He has way too much stuff in there but have managed to sort it so his drawers can be accessed without contorting oneself although the clearance between said drawers and door is now only an inch but hey ho.

ceebeegeebies Mon 11-Jun-12 15:25:53

Right, I am not sure I am calculating this calorie thing correctly when I have done exercise.

My TDEE-15% = 2100 calories a day which, if I don't do any exercise that day, is fine.

However, I am getting confused when I do exercise. So, for example, today, I have burnt 839 calories according to MFP with exercise. So, if i eat 2100 calories, my net calorie intake is 2100-839 = 1261 calorie intake today. So, I need to get this up to my BMR figure of 1600 so I need to eat an extra 339 calories on top of my daily 2100 calorie intake - is that correct? That is what I have been doing but am wobbling a bit today that I have been doing it wrong and have been eating far too much confused

I have over 600 calories left over today (and I have already counted my tea and had a double decker blush) and I don't know what else to eat!!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 11-Jun-12 15:42:10

Hello hello! Good to see everyone is still doing well grin

We are just back from holiday, and I have eaten loads and loads, and also drunk vast amounts of wine. Had a lovely time grin

I will be logging again from tomorrow, might hold off the weighing and measuring for a few days to let any water retention disappear hmm

Spicysalamander Mon 11-Jun-12 15:48:02

I've been following this since it started on chat and really like the sound of it. I'm the type that can be really strict all week but then 'treat' myself at the weekend and end up binging badly.

The trouble is I'm such a lard arse that my bmr is really high, let alone my tdee-15%, so I don't think I can physically eat as much as them while eating healthy and not being sick!

My main aim is to eat much less processed food and make everything I can from scratch, is it ok if I just consistently eat as much as I can without going over.

My other issue is that I prefer eating a vegan diet so while I get enough protein to be healthy I don't think I can ever hit 30%. I've done a couple of test diaries using my homemade recipes and I keep just hitting 18% protein, around 55% carbs and the rest fat (can't even work it out without looking, my maths is poor!)

Anyway sorry for that epic write up, I just need to get out ofthis starve binge cycle. Thanks for all the info so far as well

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 15:52:25

ceebee - Is 1600 your BMR? The only thing you need to remember is that your NET CALORIES must also add up to 1600.

So yes, If you've done 800 calories worth of exercise then you will need to "eat back" enough to bring your net to 1600.

This is why, I think, over on the MFP group there is a...dislike...of cardio exercise, because it can make it difficult to get your net up to your BMR.

What sort of exercise are you doing and how are you calculating your burn?

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 16:00:28

Hi spicy.

Consistency is the key really, and to make sure that you are NEVER under your BMR.

Let's say your BMR is 2,000 per day, then I would advocate starting out eating a good 2,200 per day, EVERY DAY for a few weeks and then slowly increase up to your TDEE less 15%.

This is quite interesting

You will be surprised at how much you will be able - AND WANT -to eat once you are a few weeks into this WOE. The crap, the binging, the starving fucks up our metabolism and our bodies are so clever and built for survival that it just adjusts our hunger levels to compensate for the perceived famine.

Once you start feeding the fire of your metabolism, I promise you, that you will suddenly think "Oh shit, I've only got 100 cals left, and I could definitely eat something!" grin

ceebeegeebies Mon 11-Jun-12 16:13:14

Shirley thanks for the info - sorry to bang on about this but can I just clarify that I need to eat my 2100 calories plus any extra to get to my BMR of 1600?

I do Combat/Attack/Spinning classes 4 or 5 times a week plus weight training twice a week. So today, I have done combat plus walked for 30 minutes (albeit at the pace of a 3 year old wink). I am using the calorie burn figures from MFP but they are similar to those used on Weight Loss Resources which i have used in the past plus I did use a heart rate monitor once in a Combat class and the MFP is nearly the same as that.

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 16:20:42

What do you have your activity logged as? If you're in at MODERATE exercise while doing massive burns 5 x times a week then it's wrong!

You'll need to recalculate I think, choosing (erm heavy?! wink) the next level up from moderate - this way I think it will increase your TDEE (less cut) and you will balance out a little more easily.

Why not post on the MFP EMTWL discussion board? They are SO helpful over there, and they'll be able to steer you in the right direction I'm sure...

be prepared though to be told to cut your cardio and incorporate some heavy weight lifting. They're mad for it!

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 16:23:36

Oh and's an example:

My BMR is 1,500.

My TDEE (with 15% cut) is 2,000.

Today I will eat 2,000 calories. If I burn 800 calories in a class my NET calories will be = 1,200 calories. I will need to eat an additional 300 calories to bring my NET cals up to my BMR of 1,500.


Sunnywithachanceofshowers Mon 11-Jun-12 16:26:44

Hello everyone

I really need to lose weight (am 15st at 5 foot 2, dress size 18/20), improve my diet and increase my energy levels.

I'm going to spend some time later trying to work out what I need to eat... I'll be back.

ceebeegeebies Mon 11-Jun-12 16:33:47

Shirley thank you - your example matches what I have been doing so I am doing it right grin

I did ponder about whether to choose moderate or vigorous exercise when I was doing the Scooby calculator so I went for the cautious approach (see, still can't get out of the 'lower calorie = better' way of thinking blush). Maybe I should change it? Tbh, although I love the classes and would do them anyway, one of the reasons I do them so much is just so I can eat more so there is no way I am cutting them out wink

ShirleyKnot Mon 11-Jun-12 16:39:24

Me too ceebee. I'm on moderate because even though MOST weeks I will do 5 x classes/runs/gym sessions/swims, SOME weeks I will only rack up 3 or like last week 2...there's still that old voice in the back of my head saying "eat less = weigh less" even though it's patently not the case!

I've been reading through some other diety threads today and the most startling thing about the low cal/low fat ones is the amount of people saying "I've done this before and lost 3 stone, but I've put it all back, and a bit more! Just got to be stricter!!" and I just think sad.

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