Ethical engagement rings?(40 Posts)
Is there such thing as an ethical engagement ring that isn't going to cost the world? Or is there an alternative to diamonds?
I was chatting about it with DP and a house mate last night (DP is planning to do a presentation on the differing ethics between diamond mining and tanzanite mining) and I just wondered if there was a way of getting ethical engagement rings that didn't cost the earth!
Bought my ring today vintage daisy diamond cluster. Love it. From 1910.
If everyone stopped buying diamonds, do you think exploitative diamond mine owners would still use child labourers to dig up diamonds?
Like it or not, it is funny to think of someone nags ting about the source of their diamond, when a really simple solution would be to not buy a diamond. It IS funny.
No it isn't. Where do you think diamonds come from? Who do you think mines them?
Wouldn't you prefer a poor African to work in good conditions and take home enough money to feed and educate his/her family?
colditz: I am not bothered about the first world problem comment because it is a FWP, and is a prime example of one in fact. I agree with you and find that funny now that I realise that actually, I could go without a diamond engagement ring and I don't NEED to conform. Which is how I felt up until recently about the subject.
I just don't like being made out to be a dick who needs to get over themselves over something that is a tradition in this country which is how I felt when I read yousank's latest post. Maybe I'm reading too much into the comment, if so, sorry yousank, kneejerk reaction to a comment that annoyed me.
I haven't been rude, I was amused. Like it or not, it is funny to think of someone nags ting about the source of their diamond, when a really simple solution would be to not buy a diamond. It IS funny.
one option I am looking at is a lab created diamond.
DP (a silversmith) says yes. You can get ethically sourced diamonds for a start - he says look at Ethical Metalsmiths for more info
Ethical inspiration that is. For the same reason we are looking for ethical options.
Oh confused pixie I could me you. I dragged poor OH all around the jewellery quarter last sat looking for an engagement ring that wasn't a feckin diamond solitaire. I need inspiration ladies.
Really yousank? I cannot do anything to help those in third world countries, I can try to do something that's ethical though whilst still thinnking about trying to keep in with traditions from my own country. There's no need to be rude.
I also agreed with you in that it was a first world problem. If I wanted an argument or debate about it I would've gone to AIBU. I was asking about something I'd not thought much about and tbh, didn't even think about alternatives to as it is the done thing to have a sodding engagement ring with a diamond even though I don't really like any style I've seen and I don't know anybody who has questioned it personally so wouldn't have thought much about it otherwise. So I apologise, next time I'll just 'get over myself' and not bother asking questions when I realise that actually, I don't agree with the 'done thing' this time round.
*Unlike many consumers op is thinking about how to buy in a way that won't harm the developing world, then gets told she is raising a first world problem!
Conflict diamonds are very much an issue for people in the developing world.*
I am one of the people who thinks she's raising a first world problem because I seriously doubt that many people in developing countries fret too much about where they're going to get the diamond for their engagement ring. I suspect they are a little more preoccupied with finding food, keeping a roof about their heads and keeping their families alive.
Of course conflict diamonds have affected the developing world, but if people in the first world could get over themselves and realise that they don't need a diamond of any sort then the problem goes away.
Oh, glad that was useful then! When I was getting engaged I fell in love with this jeweller who made gorgeous rings with metal and wood and all sorts of slightly out-there precious stones. They cost a bomb, I was gutted. And sadly he's gone bust now (the market for expensive wooden rings not being terribly good, as you might imagine!), so I couldn't change my mind even if we could afford it now.
Hope you find something nice - I am sure you will.
"Personally (and it is very personal so not judging), I think diamonds are fuck ugly" <<snorts>> I prefer other stones and remember the sheer horror of my sisters when I suggested just getting a nice ring that had another stone in it.
I discovered wooden rings last night after a bit of browsing, I was quite surprised to find that DP quite likes them too so that may be the wedding rings sorted
I like the idea of having something to commemorate an engagement, and have said for a while that when I get engaged we'd both have a ring to signify it, but I am now wondering about forgoing the rings and having a nice trip where we get to make/organise something that we can have at home to commemorate it. This is assuming that one of us proposes of course!
I like the idea of the Sapphire and fidelity combination, I may have a nosy around and see what represents what in gems and colours
I never got a ring at all. We've been married for 15 years now, it doesn't matter.
I had mine made. I have a sapphire instead of a diamond, the stone came from Sri Lanka. He goes there to source them himself.
Engagement rings aren't that recent a tradition, but diamonds are. They took off because De Beers started a campaign, simple as that.
If you look at antique rings, you'll find lots of pearl, garnet, sapphires (blue represents fidelity), Edwardian emeralds, etc. etc. So antique rings have a lot of choice.
My friend's mum has a wooden engagement ring - you can have whatever the heck you like.
Personally (and it is very personal so not judging), I think diamonds are fuck ugly.
I didn't say it wasn't a fair question. I said it was a first world problem.
I was implying that people in developing countries don't worry very much about the source of their diamonds, because they are too busy trying to source their dinner.
And that is true. But the ops question summed up the first world very nicely. As does my perpetual niggling worry that my dishwasher is about to go kaput.
Another vote for Canadian diamonds.
I have a second hand ring. It gets loads of compliments, and was dirt cheap. I just saw it in a store and loved it. It was exactly a tenth of the price of the other rings I was looking at, and 120 years old, so unique.
I have no end of woo types telling me that they can tell it was a family heirloom. May well have been. Just not mine.
It is a first and third world problem. No one needs a diamond (other than industry, possibly) so the reason children are being exploited is because the first world wants cheap diamonds.
I'd go for recycling OP, you might not know if a child has mined the stone but you can be sure that child isn't being exploited now.
If you have some scrap gold then you could have that made into a ring, and it's not that expensive.
You could buy something from Australia, you wouldn't get to check it before you ordered online but Australian gold and gems are mined in proper conditions.
Why is it diamonds? Is there a meaning behind it or was it just a popular thing that became 'tradition'? Which is what I meant by 'alternative' originally, if there was an alternative that was as traditional? (Apologies for not being clear on it) Or was it because diamond is harder wearing than other stones and therefore more practical?
ceramic: I actually love that idea, I have been debating doing that for a few years, well before I got with DP and we were still 'just friends'
AKiss: I vaguely remembered something about ethically sourced precious metals, it's another thing to think about really.
I think I might just tell DP we won't bother with engagement rings, it'll make things much easier
Buy vintage/antique. My ring is a 1920/30s ring and cost a lot lot less than a new ring and is beautiful.
Don't know if it would be your cup of tea but my sister and her dh panned for gold in Wales then had it made into rings. Although that was wedding rings not engagement rings.
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