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Land of Hope and Glory

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kikisparks Wed 18-Jul-18 19:47:43

Anyone watched this? Only managed 9 minutes, all U.K. footage standard practices. It’s like a horror film but it’s real life sad

https://www.landofhopeandglory.org

Zeze247 Mon 23-Jul-18 00:17:20

Yes I’ve seen it felt the need to as I wanted to tell people to watch it. Watched a lot with the screen away though.

kikisparks Mon 23-Jul-18 07:44:34

Thanks for your reply. Yeah I’ll need to try again with it, DH was watching with me and he looked at more than I did, I looked away a lot but we both wanted to stop where we did (the piglet teeth bit). We’ll go back to it.

IvyandStan Sat 28-Jul-18 21:42:32

I watched it. It's what has made me try to eat vegan as much as I can. Heartbreaking. I knew where meat and dairy came from but not the actual reality of it if you see what I mean.

kikisparks Sun 29-Jul-18 07:34:24

@IvyandStan oh that’s amazing. Thank you for watching. Most people won’t be willing to do that and to face up to what they’re contributing to.

Yes I know exactly what you mean about the reality of it. I was shocked when I watched earthlings 8 years ago and went from vegetarian to vegan within a few days or weeks of thinking about it because I just couldn’t justify funding it any more.

I do vegan advocacy and if you ask people do you know what happens to animals in animal agriculture they always say yes but in reality they actually don’t know the truth.

Is there anything stopping you making the jump to just living fully as a vegan? Just wondering if there’s any tips or ideas that might help.

IvyandStan Sun 29-Jul-18 07:57:39

I'm managing completely vegan at home and actually enjoying it🙂found a cheese that I like(violife) which shocked me as I love cheese and the first couple I tried I hated! Quite easy to just check ingredients that things r vegan rather than vegetarian. The only thing I think I'm going to struggle with is going on holiday (camping)😬.

IvyandStan Sun 29-Jul-18 08:03:21

And I know what you mean about most people won't watch. A couple of people have asked why on earth I'm not able to eat something and I tried to explain briefly without being pushy and they just said they were able to separate those animals from other animals in there head and not think about it.

kikisparks Sun 29-Jul-18 12:10:06

Ah that’s great you’re pretty much fully vegan then! Do you use vegan cosmetics and toiletries? Superdrug and coop are good as they label everything. Camping might be a wee bit tricky but should be do-able if you want to, can you take some things like packet mixes for soups, pasta and couscous, cereal bars, trail mix etc? You can also probably make quite a few vegan things on a camping stove.

IvyandStan Sun 29-Jul-18 15:57:46

That is true camping should be doable. Will have a look at cosmetics and check which are ok and which aren't (thanks -wouldn't have thought of that!) the only other issue I have is I live very rurally and revert to the vegetarian option if we eat out (rare prob 3 times a year) as no vegan option. Therefore I would say I'm not a true vegan but strive to eat vegan as much as I can🙂

kikisparks Sun 29-Jul-18 18:23:37

No worries! It’s hard when everyone calls veganism a diet to remember that actually there are animal products in so much more than just food, sadly. Superdrug’s own cosmetics are all vegan and all their toiletries are marked whether they are vegan or not, kat Von D and Barry M mostly are vegan too, I think urban decay were but they now sell in China so test on animals. Soap and glory have an online vegan list. Lush marks everything if it’s vegan. It’s getting easier to access these types of things I used to have to buy everything online.

IvyandStan Sun 29-Jul-18 19:36:31

Will most definitely take a trip to Superdrug 🙂thanks again

PlantsArePeopleToo Mon 30-Jul-18 16:57:16

Urban Decay sell in China now? shock

kikisparks Tue 31-Jul-18 07:21:16

That was the last I heard but looks like they pulled out! Great news, sorry for the wrong info, it’s hard to find out these things sometimes.

kennelmaid Sun 18-Nov-18 17:55:04

@kikisparks Footage from Land of Hope and Glory is used at "Anonymous for the Voiceless - Cube of Truth" events which I've taken part in many times. People are generaly horrified when they see the footage and we are able to use it as a way to start a conversation about animal rights and veganism with those that show an interest. Each of us that take part keep a tally of the number of people we've spoken to who have expressed a genuine interest in going vegan and the total's usually about 20-30. So, we think it's a successful way of getting across the vegan message. I haven't watched the whole of Land of Hope and Glory myself although I have seen other similar films.

kikisparks Sun 18-Nov-18 19:26:36

@kennelmaid yes I imagine it’s used at the earthlings experience which is the same type of idea. Well done at your involvement in advocacy! I do a different type of advocacy, vegan information stalls and also challenge 22 on Facebook.

HappyGoodHairBear Mon 19-Nov-18 17:57:12

Ultimately, Kat Von D is owned by LMVH, so I know a lot of people who don’t consider that line cruelty-free/vegan.

kikisparks Wed 21-Nov-18 18:14:50

@HappyGoodHairBear didn’t know that, thanks.

ksa103 Sun 25-Nov-18 23:08:55

Just wanted to say hi to kennelmaid.
I'm a fellow activist with Anonymous for the Voiceless. We had a magnificent 88 people looking at seriously at veganism after today's Cube!

kikisparks Mon 26-Nov-18 07:12:24

@ksa103 well done!

IvyandStan Thu 20-Dec-18 16:54:04

Hi just wanted to pop back on here and say I'm still eating vegan as much as I can(won't call myself vegan as I eat at the local pub maybe 3 times a year and have the veggie option)I'm checking all my toiletries and cosmetics and when my handbag/boots wear out I will replace them with vegan ones🙂hope you are all well and have made more people aware of the true reality of meat/dairy x

kikisparks Thu 20-Dec-18 17:38:23

@IvyandStan well done!

Just a suggestion it’s up to you if you follow but have you tried asking the pub if they’ll include a vegan option? Something like a Thai coconut veg curry, or a roasted vegetable tart with vegan pastry, or a non-egg pasta in tomato base sauce? I’ve been to quite few rural places which have vegan options, the demand can be there, and if they pick the right options (nothing weird) then non-vegans in particular vegetarians might well go for them too. You may be surprised you might not be the first person who has asked and if they agree you’ll be doing vegans who visit your area a big favour as they’ll have a local option smile

kennelmaid Thu 20-Dec-18 18:50:46

@ksa103 Hi! grin

Just made my first nut roasts today! I got the recipe from Viva! Recipe Club. I don't enjoy cooking very much because my results aren't worth the effort, but they look pretty good and taste okay too.

kikisparks Thu 20-Dec-18 20:26:59

Sounds great kennel smile

IvyandStan Fri 21-Dec-18 10:17:48

We are literally tiny and I'm 99%sure I'm the only vegetarian let alone vegan so don't think it would go down to well. Most people here shoot game etc . But thank you 🙂like I say I only eat out maybe 2/3 times a year mostly just pop in for a drink x

littlecloudling Fri 21-Dec-18 17:08:16

Need to watch this

littlecloudling Fri 28-Dec-18 14:00:35

@IvyandStan I'd be less worried about people shooting game than some of the horrific conditions in the video posted on this thread. Obviously it says something about their understanding but it must be less cruel surely...
Not supporting game shooting or hunting though!

littlecloudling Fri 28-Dec-18 14:01:59

Also if anyone can suggest some simple good vegetarian recipes I'd really like to see them as I've been trying to go vegetarian. I am a fussy eater so struggle.

kikisparks Fri 28-Dec-18 14:45:39

@littleclouding what kinds of things do you like?

IvyandStan Fri 28-Dec-18 20:16:42

I'm not particularly concerned with them shooting game and kind of agree it's kinder than intensive farming although I'm not sure breeding pheasants just to shoot them is particularly kind... I was trying to highlight that I live in a tiny posh farming community and I may be able to eat /live vegan quietly at home the few times a year I eat at the only pub close to me I eat the vegetarian option as there isn't a vegan one and is no call for one where I live. That is my choice, I'm doing my personal best and I wouldn't feel comfortable bringing it up in the pub as I'm 99% sure it would not be well received and I suffer from anxiety as it is so would not feel comfortable making myself stand out. Like I say I'm doing my personal best to my own limits.

IvyandStan Fri 28-Dec-18 20:20:21

I only popped back on this thread to say the fantastic but horrifying documentary land of hope and glory had a long term effect on me and I will continue doing my best. Not perfect but my best. If everyone tried there would be a lot less suffering.

alleypalley Fri 28-Dec-18 21:13:56

I became vegan almost overnight after watching Cowspiracy; I was shockingly ignorant at 40 years old, of the environmental impact on the planet of animal agriculture.

I recently watched lohag and I will definitely never go back to meat now. I’m trying to encourage my children to eat more vegan, I only cook vegan for them now (though still buy meat & dairy for them). Has anyone let their children watch this film? I’m not sure what age I would think it appropriate. But then I think it’s also information that we all should know. I wish I’d known sooner.

littlecloudling Sat 29-Dec-18 11:54:39

I think it should be compulsory viewing in schools but only from the age of 14

littlecloudling Sat 29-Dec-18 11:56:10

@kikisparks chickpeas and spice but not chili!

kikisparks Sat 29-Dec-18 13:50:34

@littleclouding I like this yupitsvegan.com/easy-coconut-chickpea-curry/

KingIrving Sat 29-Dec-18 18:41:14

Yet despise all the documentaries and movies, so many are in denial. In the paper yesterday, I read this article www.smh.com.au/national/thinking-of-going-vegan-for-the-new-year-think-again-20181227-p50ohk.html . What is shocking is not so much the BS she writes, but the hundreds of comments mostly applauding her. But of course, I live in Australia, land of the BBQ

sonlypuppyfat Sat 29-Dec-18 18:47:53

For a lot of people it wouldn't matter what videos you ever showed them they wouldn't stop eating meat

Whatsnewwithyou Sat 29-Dec-18 18:55:30

I am vegetarian as is DH and would ideally go vegan but find it very difficult, DH is allergic to several kinds of nuts and can't have anything that even may contain traces of peanuts. I dont like most vegan foods including things like dahl, hummus, and coconut. We basically subsist on cheese. Would my tastes change if I went vegan do you think, and could we get around the "no nuts" issue?

KingIrving Sat 29-Dec-18 20:26:21

I don't eat that many nuts, I mostly use cashew to do my own vegan cheese or sometimes almonds for calcium and other minerals, and I don't really eat vegan food, just food. I prefer chickpeas in a tomatoes/onion/parsley salad than blended in hummus, or I love the rich Spanish garbanzo soup.
I usually have 3 or 4 different types of veggies cooked (braised, roasted, steamed ) or raw and a serving of tofu, quinoa, lentils on the side.

I put coconut on my hair and skin but never in my mouth.

Your taste will change and so will your sense of smell. I found the smell of eggs and bacons in cafe in the morning revolting. One morning, after a bad night sleep, I prepared my coffe an it tasted horrible as if there was washing up soap in it. It turned out, I had put the kids' real milk in it. And i have only been vegan less than two years.
I eat lots of salads, soups, risottos, and I make sure to cover all my nutritional needs and have blood tests every six months to check for deficiencies.

kikisparks Sat 29-Dec-18 22:43:17

@Whatsnewwithyou it’s certainly possible without nuts although could be a bit tougher to start with til you find what you like- what plant milks have you tried? Quite a few are nut free. My favourite is oat. Have you tried vegan butter/ margarine?

Whatsnewwithyou Sun 30-Dec-18 02:42:08

Thanks, both. I'm ok about milk as I like Oatly barista. I've decided to try Veganuary and see how I get on.

kikisparks Sun 30-Dec-18 08:09:17

@Whatsnewwithyou amazing! Good luck smile

Applepudding2018 Wed 02-Jan-19 21:36:36

@Whatsnewwithyou when you say you don't like Dahl and hummus is it the taste or texture you don't like, the flavour or do you not like lentils / chick peas?

You can make vegan meals with a traditional British taste if you want to - cottage pie using lentils, stew with canelini beans and root veg, mushroom and chestnut pie for example.

Whatsnewwithyou Thu 03-Jan-19 05:07:57

Thanks @Applepudding2018 I don't really dislike them so much as am sick of them as I've had them over and over again. I'm a good cook and have lots of vegan cookbooks- my favourites are by Isa Chandra Moskowitz. But as I work full time it's hard to find the time to cook during the week.

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