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saraclara Mon 20-Apr-20 13:52:07

Can we not? The number of threads asking the same stuff on other branches is doing my head in, but the flower bombing is a really immature response which really isn't doing the profession any favours right now.

I know I've no right to ask and everyone can do as they like, but I honestly think it's giving people ammunition.

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TubereuseNordlys Mon 20-Apr-20 13:54:52

I disagree it's an immature response.

The immature responses are those given by the people who aren't in the slightest bit interested by reality.

It's been really helpful for me to disengage and leave flowers.

StaffAssociationRepresentative Mon 20-Apr-20 13:59:41

In that case, no teacher should respond on any thread that is attacking the profession and damaging the mental well being of our members

bettybattenburg Mon 20-Apr-20 14:00:33

Either, I'll go with the majority.

saraclara Mon 20-Apr-20 14:07:02

You don't see any difference between responding with reasoned explanations, and leaving multiple posts of 100or more flowers @StaffAssociationRepresentative ?
Because to me the former seems intelligent and reasonable, and the other seems childish. And I'm going to assume that parents who are not teachers, will think the same.

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noblegiraffe Mon 20-Apr-20 14:09:24

When you have teachers complaining about the effect that these endless twatty posts are having on their mental health and inaction on the part of MNHQ in discouraging them, then something needs to happen. Ignoring them doesn’t work because there’s always some poor teacher who wants to defend themselves and the profession rather than leaving it unchallenged.

Passive resistance has actually reduced the number of teachers posting defences and given a sense of relief and solidarity that each individual teacher is not the only person who has spotted it and thought it unfair.

noblegiraffe Mon 20-Apr-20 14:11:05

Reasoned explanations take time and mental energy, sara and actually, when you find yourself writing the same reasoned explanation over and over you realise that you’re wasting your time.

saraclara Mon 20-Apr-20 14:13:55

I don't disagree @noble giraffe. But surely better to just not post at all, than leave a post that confirms the OP's view of teachers being unprofessional?

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Lightbulbs Mon 20-Apr-20 14:16:06

Can someone explain what the flower thing is?

coconuttelegraph Mon 20-Apr-20 14:18:02

I'm a parent not a teacher, I was reading a thread about possible schoil opening dates that ended up as a lood of flowers posts, I thought I must be missing something and didn't post on the thread because of that so for me it stopped me discussing an important issue. Is that the intention?

noblegiraffe Mon 20-Apr-20 14:19:13

Because every time I’ve bit my tongue and not posted, when I’ve gone back, someone else has. This is now happening far less often.

If someone is asking a reasonable and polite question they can get a reasonable and polite answer.

If they’re being a bitchy tosspot then a flower is hardly going to lower their opinion any further.

And you just know that a teacher who gets understandably upset or wound up will post something ( anything ) that ends up with a ‘I’m glad you don’t teach my kids’ bitchfest.

FrippEnos Mon 20-Apr-20 14:19:41

saraclara

The posters that are causing this to happen already have a low opinion of teachers.

FrippEnos Mon 20-Apr-20 14:22:11

coconuttelegraph

As noblegiraffe posted, if you put a reasonable and polite question, you will get the same as a response.

Those that post the goady, generalised points will get a flower as that is as much energy and mental load as it deserves.

SallyLovesCheese Mon 20-Apr-20 14:24:43

But we've tried reasoned responses and explanations.

I don't see flowers as unprofessional.

Concerned12345 Mon 20-Apr-20 14:27:27

flowersdaffodilwink

coconuttelegraph Mon 20-Apr-20 14:30:44

The thread I was reading wasn't really about teachers, it was about schools reopening in general, obviously I haven't seen any of the threads discussing this, I'm sure everything that could be said already has been, just seems a little teacher-ish and yes I get the irony of that.

FrippEnos Mon 20-Apr-20 14:38:00

@coconuttelegraph

Would that be the one that went in to teachers don't want to go back. they are being paid so they should work. something about holidays.
pay. etc.

And it was explained many times, no-one knows. and teachers had no say in it.

noblegiraffe Mon 20-Apr-20 14:38:20

coconut it wasn’t the thread in general that got the flowers, and there were hundreds of posts discussing the issue, including from teachers. The flowers were in response to individual posts being twatty about teachers, from posters who are well aware of what they are doing.

StaffAssociationRepresentative Mon 20-Apr-20 14:39:44

@coconuttelegraph - there have been some quite spiteful and horrendous threads. They may start off with good intentions but soon descend into a 'teachers won't do this blah blah blah' scenario.

We are now trying to take a stand against threads where we are constantly explaining the rules that we have to follow from DfE/exam boards/HT, how we are paid, terms and conditions of employment contracts, term time dates, what is safeguarding, why we cant just using the latest IT fad etc.

Threads normally result in teachers basically being referred to as unprofessional shirkers who are the lowest of the low. It is definitely not good for our mental well being.

We have had enough of all the posters who have missed the #bekind movement and as a result we are taking a stand.

noblegiraffe Mon 20-Apr-20 14:42:36

It’s also a useful reminder to hold the line.

TubereuseNordlys Mon 20-Apr-20 14:47:31

I've also found it's more visual solidarity, which has been really helpful.

FrippEnos Mon 20-Apr-20 14:47:34

@coconuttelegraph

There are also several threads about live streaming lessons and posters have complained that teachers won't do it because "safeguarding".

Yet on another thread there are parents discussing what they have seen in other people's homes due to video lessons.

There have even been examples of zoom bombing.

And that doesn't even go in to the use of these streams to capture and harass and bully teachers only.

Yet its the teachers that are wrong.

BeingATwatItsABingThing Mon 20-Apr-20 14:51:13

I’ve just stopped clicking on any threads about schools reopening or any work being sent/not sent home. It’s better for my sanity and mental wellbeing. I’ve had some lovely emails from parents that I’ve contacted. I’m sticking to real life issues.

FrippEnos Mon 20-Apr-20 14:54:42

And others have said in these times of uncertainty its nice to have a visual representation of support of each other.

RaraRachael Mon 20-Apr-20 14:56:55

It doesn't seem to matter how many times teachers try to point out what is happening, we still get the rubbish like "You're sitting at home on full pay doing nothing", "Teachers shouldn't get their summer holidays so that the kids can catch up on the work they're missed" etc etc. Unfortunately, you can't argue with ignorance. However, I'm surprised MNHQ isn't doing more to get rid of this sort of thing. It's affecting teachers' mental health at a time when we are struggling, to say the least.

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