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Primary Core Subject leaders - tlr?

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FishfingerSandwiches4Tea Sun 13-Oct-19 21:00:21

Just wondering how many of you get a tlr for leading a core subject? If so, in which subjects? Especially with the 'deep dive' ofsted inspections, it's quite a responsibility!

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PhysaliaPhysalis Sun 13-Oct-19 21:02:30


No grin

I lead Maths, Assessment and Computing

PhysaliaPhysalis Sun 13-Oct-19 21:05:17

But you're right about deep dives - it's going to be fairly brutal sad

Would love a TLR.
Or a pay rise.

donquixotedelamancha Sun 13-Oct-19 21:06:58

Not primary myself. May I ask why anyone leads if they are not getting paid?

FishfingerSandwiches4Tea Sun 13-Oct-19 21:08:48

Physalia wow, that's a lot of extra work! Do you get extra release time? Are you UPS?

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Lookingsparkly Sun 13-Oct-19 22:01:28

No TLRs at my school and teachers are leading on multiple subjects.

Lookingsparkly Sun 13-Oct-19 22:02:15

Teachers also have VERY limited subject leader release time to do their role. Maybe one half day in the year. One half day per term for English and Maths.

Littlefish Sun 13-Oct-19 22:03:46

I get a TLR. Early Years Lead (150 children), PSED, Wrap-around care, Safeguarding.

FishfingerSandwiches4Tea Sun 13-Oct-19 22:05:59

Are you happy with this Looking? I'm not sure I would be confident to sit with ofsted and go through a deep dive with no extra time or remuneration for a lot of extra work on top of normal classroom duties confused

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FishfingerSandwiches4Tea Tue 15-Oct-19 18:17:49

Anyone else?

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PhysaliaPhysalis Tue 15-Oct-19 18:21:23

Half a day per term for Maths.
I'm UPS1.

The school has no money. We're all expensive teachers, so until one of us leaves and we can employ an NQT, we're stuffed. We need a 1:1 for a new child - we're going to have to dip into the reserves, even though we shouldn't for that.

Small school syndrome sad

Chocs44 Tue 15-Oct-19 18:29:32

I'm UPS and responsible for Maths and Computing no TLR. Budget very tight.

FishfingerSandwiches4Tea Tue 15-Oct-19 18:32:01

I understand budgets being tight and wanting to get experience in order to apply for promotions but since maternity leave it really annoys me that we take on extra work for free!

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iamNOTmagic Tue 15-Oct-19 18:32:28

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AnduinsGirl Tue 15-Oct-19 18:34:24

Our Maths, STEM and English leads receive a TLR of approx 2.5k (large school, challenging area.) I'd pay them double that to keep them - they have completely changed the face of teaching in our school.

Feenie Tue 15-Oct-19 18:59:25

I get a TLR for English.

Lookingsparkly Tue 15-Oct-19 20:08:30

No of course I’m not happy about it but the way I see it is that it should be leadership, management and governance that is slated in the Ofsted report in this case. How can subject leaders be held accountable when they are not able to do their (unpaid) role?

FishfingerSandwiches4Tea Tue 15-Oct-19 21:34:41

That's true Looking, I hadn't thought of it that way. I think I'd still feel like I'd let everyone down though, even though you can only do your best sad

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LoyaltyBonus Tue 15-Oct-19 21:36:59

Isn't it just part of the whole school impact required for UPS?

FishfingerSandwiches4Tea Tue 15-Oct-19 21:56:44

Loyalty not according to the unions.

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donquixotedelamancha Tue 15-Oct-19 22:04:29

Isn't it just part of the whole school impact required for UPS?

No. Hence why I asked about people's reasons for doing these volunteer roles. I

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Andonandonan Wed 16-Oct-19 22:38:05

Ups & lead Maths. No tlr or time for it.

KaliOMalley Thu 17-Oct-19 21:24:55

I get a TLR for being key stage lead, nothing for being maths and RE lead, and we're a church school so RE lead gets the joy of a SIAMS inspection too

Sewingbea Thu 17-Oct-19 21:34:33

UPS. Have led science for the past five years. All age special school so lead across phases from Foundation to K.S. 3. No TLR and no release time. And I currently work part time (three days a week).

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