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Mooseknuckle Fri 24-Aug-18 08:32:46

I have worked for 5 weeks at my new school prior to the summer holidays, my contract starts in September.

However, the pay roll company have split my salary by 52 to give my weekly pay and then x 4 for the first months pay.

Am I right in thinking that teacher pay is over 39 week / 195 day / 1265 directed hours?

I am over £500 a month worse off than I thought I would be.

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noblegiraffe Fri 24-Aug-18 08:53:08

But you get paid 52 weeks of the year not 39 - you should have been paid in the summer holidays even though not working.

ChipmunksAreMissing Fri 24-Aug-18 08:56:30

From what I understand, we are only paid for 195days and this is split over 52 weeks. Are you on M1? Does your pay add up to that? If not, have a chat with HR or your union rep

ILoveMyMonkey Fri 24-Aug-18 09:03:17

I have worked for 5 weeks at my new school prior to the summer holidays, my contract starts in September.

I would treat those two things separately; the first 5 weeks, prior to your contract starting, would be paid at 1:195 X 25 days.

You're contract beginning in September will pay you a monthly salary so if you're M1 they'll divide that over 12 months.

SleepyMcEdie Fri 24-Aug-18 09:05:58

Treat as two separate events. First 5 weeks should be your annual salary /52 *5.

Then your monthly pay from September onwards is annual salary /12.

SleepyMcEdie Fri 24-Aug-18 09:08:31

Teachers are not only paid for 195 days, or only 39 weeks. They are salaried for a year. Your pay is your annual salary divided by 12.

This is different to TA’s and admin staff who are often on term time only contracts. These only actually get paid 39/52 of their annual salary. Which is why most job adverts for these roles are a con as you don’t actually earn what they advertise!

noblegiraffe Fri 24-Aug-18 09:09:03

Hang on, if you started work before the summer, you should be paid for the summer. Are they trying to swizz you?

SleepyMcEdie Fri 24-Aug-18 09:10:47

Noblegiraffe lots of places try to do this! Contract doesn’t start till September but they have you in during July and pay you on a zero hours contract first. Not very ethical but legal I believe.

GreenTulips Fri 24-Aug-18 09:12:56

TAs are paid 39 weeks plus 4/5 weeks holiday (depends on length of service)

So 43 weeks

Annual slate at then divided by 52 - holiday pay the same, show up separately.

Teachers are also paid 39 weeks plus paid holiday - HT are paid for 8 weeks.

I think the first 5 weeks are paid in a supply basis, after you start you will earn more - and get paid monthly

noblegiraffe Fri 24-Aug-18 09:39:33

Wow sleepy that’s pretty cheeky. Round my way starting in July is something PGCE students fight for to get summer pay. Not many get it these days with budget cuts though.

Supply rates of pay should be higher than normal teacher pay to account for the fact supply teachers aren’t paid in the holidays - do these schools ignore that too?

Shortandsweet20 Fri 24-Aug-18 09:58:17

Were you on supply in the last 5 weeks? If so that would be why you haven't been paid over the summer

StealthPolarBear Fri 24-Aug-18 10:00:30

But if you don't get paid for the hols what does it matter if you star t in July?

RSTera Fri 24-Aug-18 10:02:25

Are you starting on a FT contract with the school or on a long term supply contract?

GreenTulips Fri 24-Aug-18 10:16:22

It makes a huge difference starting in July! It's just the way they work it.
If you start a contract July then you get paid July August and September - having only worked 7 weeks out of 14 weeks and no school isn't going to pay that.
However starting September and working all year, you get paid the following summer.

Most maternity leave happens a week after the holidays, so they get paid for the holidays, same with returning a few days before a holiday so again they get paid for them

It's just how it works

Mooseknuckle Fri 24-Aug-18 10:19:20

My full time contract starts in September.
It is a 12 month contract - I would obviously expect this to be paid in 12 monthly installments.

I have not been paid for the holidays this time.
I do not have a contract for the 5 weeks that I have worked.
I was told pay as you go.
With hindsight I should have asked for a contract for this. And as yet I haven't even been given a temporary contract for my 12 month contract.

I assumed pay as you go would be salary / 195 * 25 days that I worked. Giving me a higher pay for that first month than normal when it is split over 12 months.

I am an EYT not an NQT and I am on the UQT payscale (although not much below an NQT's salary)

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noblegiraffe Fri 24-Aug-18 10:22:44

You’re right, Moose, supply rate of pay should be higher BUT if you didn’t have a contract or an agreed rate of pay for the 5 weeks then that was an assumption you should have clarified.

StealthPolarBear Fri 24-Aug-18 10:30:06

But in August you're just being paid for work you've already done. You're not paid for August. So if you start on July surely the money you get in August would be tiny?

noblegiraffe Fri 24-Aug-18 10:35:51

It doesn’t work like that Stealth. Generally if you start in July you get full pay for the summer. Unless the school stiffs you like the OP.

Mooseknuckle Fri 24-Aug-18 10:37:48

Stealthpolarbear - I have had a 2 month delay on pay so I am being paid for what I earnt in the first 4 weeks 17th June to 15th July (15th is the cut off for extra hours which are paid the following month)
Rather than the usual 1 month in lieu.

My July pay from 15th July is only 5 days.

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Mooseknuckle Fri 24-Aug-18 10:39:03

Noble giraffe - I agree I have dropped a clanger.

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GreenTulips Fri 24-Aug-18 10:46:44

Supply is usually a flat rate because you only work the school hours 9-3:30 and don't have the after school stuff, marking parents evening etc

When full time your hours are more 9/5 with some holidays meetings and parents evenings and tylights, training etc expected so you work proper hours

You'll get more in September

GreenTulips Fri 24-Aug-18 10:50:52

You should get a rough idea

Salary - 20% tax etc divide by 52 X 44 weeks (39 plus 5 holiday) divided by 12 equal months

How does that work out?

Mooseknuckle Fri 24-Aug-18 10:55:05

Thanks GreenTulips that is more like what I was expecting to be paid.

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noblegiraffe Fri 24-Aug-18 10:59:46

Green English teachers don’t get 5 weeks paid holiday, are you in Scotland where it works differently? Supply teachers also usually get paid a higher hourly rate than classroom teachers, not less (or at least they used to until agencies, cover supervisors and the like).

There’s a pay calculator here you could try www.tes.com/teaching-resource/pay-calculator-11697797

SleepyMcEdie Fri 24-Aug-18 10:59:51

Greentulips that is not how teachers salaries work! It’s your whole salary (less 20% for tax, more for NI, 7%ish for pension, student loan) just divided by 12. There is no 44/52 calculation as you are paid for the whole year.

There is usually a take home pay calculator on the TES, will see if I can find it for you.

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