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Whinberry Thu 21-Dec-17 10:25:58

I am not a teacher but I keep hearing how stressful it is and how many teachers want to leave. What is it that is wrong and what needs to change? More money is always needed but apart from just 'more money' what do you think needs to happen?

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Smurfy23 Thu 21-Dec-17 14:04:23

More time for teachers to plan, mark and do the things that make the job important.

Less government involvement- huge curriculum and assessment changes introduced on the whim of a career politician with very little guidance given on how to implement them. Give the decision making for those kinds of things to professional bodies and organisations who have the experience and knowledge to implement them correctly.

More respect from others- not being made to feel like its a second class career that any old mug can do (because they went to school 25 years ago)

NovemberWitch Thu 21-Dec-17 14:16:38

Have a look on the threads I need the staff room, there have been a couple of detailed ones in the last month alone.

NovemberWitch Thu 21-Dec-17 14:19:38

Can’t c&p, but ‘What could be done to stop the teacher recruitment and retention crisis’ is one.

Lowdoorinthewal1 Thu 21-Dec-17 18:07:32

In Primary I think doubling the number of teachers would help. Not necessarily halving class sizes, although sometimes that could be done, but putting two teachers (and support staff) on each class. This would halve the amount of marking and admin each teacher had to do and dilute the stress of targets, behaviour management etc.

I also think there should be much more and a better range of specialist provision. Research shows that resource bases work really well (done properly) so put one in every school covering a whole range of specialisms.

TDHManchester Thu 21-Dec-17 18:29:42

I'm not a teacher either but i have a passing interest as my perception is that for at least the past two decades there has been so much meddling/upheaval/changes in the UK Education system that we must surely have generations of children who have suffered.

Now i left school in the 80's

I went to an "old school" grammar which was very highly rated. The sort of school you would feel privileged to send your child to. They had discipline and they had structure. Teaching methods were traditional, talk and chalk etc. It worked very well. It produced results. Why did we depart from these methodologies ?

ohreallyohreallyoh Thu 21-Dec-17 19:20:08

Why depart from the ‘talk and chalk’ method? Because not everyone learns that way? Because we have moved on and know we need to recognise the needs of individual learners, not just see the class as some kind of homogenous whole? Because we want all children to make progress, not just some of them?

NotAnotherJaffaCake Thu 21-Dec-17 19:23:50

Better SLT. I’m a governor not a teacher. Our previous head was just shit. Hadn’t a clue how to manage staff, bullied, threatened, stuck plasters over the cracks. New head is like a breath of fresh air, trusts staff to be professional and do their job. Funnily enough our results are improving and our teachers aren’t leaving any more.

As in much of the UK, crap management is a serious problem.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie Thu 21-Dec-17 19:27:13

Stop promoting very young people very early, before they've learned how to teach.
Stop dicking around with the exam syllabus every year.
Stop dicking around with grading systems and boundaries.
Stop punishing schools for using fixed term exclusions and then wondering why behaviour is such a problem.

PurpleDaisies Thu 21-Dec-17 19:28:11

Proper investment in SEND so those students don’t get lost.

PurpleDaisies Thu 21-Dec-17 19:30:26

Also, more TAs, better pay for TAs, stop people who aren’t qualified teachers doing whole class teaching.

And no to performance related pay.

MongerTruffle Thu 21-Dec-17 19:34:14

- No more unnecessary curriculum changes.
- Less variation in exam marking
- At secondary level, teachers should have to be qualified in a subject to teach it.

elephantoverthehill Thu 21-Dec-17 19:34:35

A quirk in the timetable has resulted in me having one extra PPA this term. The difference it has made to my work life balance has been amazing, as well as supportive colleagues, rather than the micro managing of last year. The 'good' rating from Ofsted has done a lot too.

bengalcat Thu 21-Dec-17 19:36:30

Abolish rigorous targets , smaller classes or more teachers per class , kick up the arse for kids and parents

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie Thu 21-Dec-17 19:39:14

Stop school leaders managing by email (ban weekend, holiday and evening emails) and make them actually speak to people.

Whinberry Thu 21-Dec-17 20:12:18

More teachers and TAs per class would be lovely but this hasn't historically been the case so are not the cause of the 'problem'. Also class size isn't am issue everywhere so what makes it a problem here?

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Whinberry Thu 21-Dec-17 20:14:52

I do think SEN is appallingly unsupported though and agree with resource basis on schools to provide specialist teaching and space for children who may cope sometimes but at other times cannot work in the classroom. They do need adequate TA support too.

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PurpleDaisies Thu 21-Dec-17 20:19:56

More teachers and TAs per class would be lovely but this hasn't historically been the case so are not the cause of the 'problem'.

Are you serious?! If you have 20 kids in your class instead of 30 you can do a miles better job with them because your marking reduces dramatically and you can spend more time planning. Also, if you’ve got kids with SEND in your class, having a TA to support them makes a massive difference to how well they get on. TAs can do a lot of the busy work (sticking, photocopying etc) that means you can spend more time on the planning/marking etc.

Also class size isn't am issue everywhere so what makes it a problem here?

What do you mean by this? Where isn’t class size a problem?

CrossFreelancer Thu 21-Dec-17 20:35:34

Its not attainable right now as there simply arent enough teachers.

But I think that if teachers had a reduced teaching time table (so possibly 2 class teachers per class 2.5 days teaching, 2.5 days 'admin'), they would have time to plan, assess and mark and allow creativity to flow.

noblegiraffe Thu 21-Dec-17 20:39:15

Here's a link to the thread mentioned earlier. Lots of ideas!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_staffroom/3085036-What-could-be-done-to-stop-the-teacher-recruitment-and-retention-crisis

ASauvignonADay Thu 21-Dec-17 20:41:25

More money for SEND and alternative provision.

Lowdoorinthewal1 Thu 21-Dec-17 20:49:11

You use the term historically loosely there Whinberry as we have only been educating all children since 1870. Inclusion only really became a thing with Warnock in 1978. Corporal punishment in schools was only banned in 1986.

The current educational landscape is very new and basically untested in terms of valid research.

You have seen an old photo, perhaps, of 50 cowed children sitting in rows learning to read from a set text. You wonder why that doesn't work now, forgetting that the photo only contained children who could learn in that setting, or were too frightened not to sit there pretending they could. I'm also pretty sure the teacher in that photo didn't triple mark their writing or spend a hour every night thinking of questions across 6 different categories at 4 different levels to ask them about the single set text they learned by rote.

MigGril Thu 21-Dec-17 20:50:02

Well as a support member of staff in school I think marking is a lot more then it used to be when we where in school. Which puts pressure on the teachers.

The number of SEN children in main stream schools has increased. Which ours fine outfit they have enough TA support but they often don't.

Behaviour can be an issue, I would never have dared talk to my teachers like some of the kids in our school do. Bearing in mind I went to a very similar compressive school do I'm comparing like with like hear.

Most teachers work really hard but don't get treated as such. Lack of respect.

MigGril Thu 21-Dec-17 20:54:17

And that goes to show I shouldn't post when I have a migraine. Sorry my post is all wobbly.

TDHManchester Thu 21-Dec-17 20:57:38

Why has there been a continual rise is SENs?

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