Really rude child

[etegrasse]

"What is she (me) ON ABOUT?"
"This lessons BORING!"
"We don't learn anything in here ANYWAY."

The above happen when I'm mid explanation.

Polite requests to stop talking, stop twirling the chair around and twisting, lobbing stuff across the room lead to

Flat denials ('weren't me. OH MY GOD it weren't even ME.')

Argues through detention. Removal from the room takes ages as child refuses to go so have to get senior management who don't show up half the time take their own sweet time.

I'm running out of ideas.

[bigchris]

Can you make her sit in someone else's class, possibly a year group lower? How old are we talking here ?

[LornaD40]

Are the detentions with you or are they escalated up/ran whole school?

Have you spoken to HOY/your HOD?

[BzyB]

Do they do any work? Could it be that she actually can't do it and is trying to save face?

[etegrasse]

I don't doubt he struggles but at the same time even very basic tasks aren't attempted.

Year 8 - 12/13 :)

We don't really do whole school detentions.

[NeonGod73]

Give her such a slap that the wall will give her the other one

[TheNameIsBarbara]

Would parental involvement help? As a parent to a teen I would bend over backwards to help support a teacher/schools position if thats how my child behaved.

I know I would be enforcing discipline at home and keeping in touch to know thinga had improved (if possible in your school )

[YoniFucker]

What does your school policy say? If you've followed it to the letter with no success then you might need to go back to your HOY/HOD/SLT and ask them for advice for next steps.

Things that work for me:

• Very clear policy (if school don't have one, follow your own) - warning first offence, name on board second offence, out for third offence.
  
• If they are supposed to be removed and they won't go, then the next lesson they don't even get to come in (prearrange with a colleague to send them there)
  
• Change seating plan so that it's harder for them to get an audience (counter-intuitively, this might mean sitting them at the back)
  
• Use them for everything ('XXX, can you hand these books out?')
  
• Praise even the tiniest success ('Well done for underlining the title')

[etegrasse]

Thanks. We have that standard C1, C2 thing but it doesn't work with this boy as he just argues as soon as you put him on a C1! He even argues when you praise him!

[ThouShallNotPass]

That would annoy the fuck out of me. I hope you find a way to deal with her.

I think I'd definitely be tempted to start calling her Lauren Cooper and when she asks, tell her to bloody well google it and get back to you.

[MatchsticksForMyEyes]

I've a class every other week with a couple of kids like this and lots of other horrible girls. I share them with a colleague and they are fine with him apparently. I just don't like them as a group so I've arranged to swap classes and take his bottom set that he struggles with so he has the group full time.

[TheCrowFromBelow]

Why the assumptions it's a girl causing issues?! And isn't Lauren Cooper outside most Y8's frame of reference?

[YoniFucker]

Have you mentioned it to SLT? If he's causing problems in your lessons then presumably is doing it elsewhere?

[ThouShallNotPass]

Good point, I didn't realise it wasn't OP who said it was a she.

As for Lauren Cooper being outside most y8's frame of reference that's why I mentioned googling it?

I guess it could be a he. Maybe Kevin Patterson might be a better google search.

[Wolfiefan]

Follow school procedure. Escalate to H of D or H of Y. It is highly unlikely to just be your class.

[piefacedClique]

Tactical ignoring! For some any attention is good attention...... I tend to approach comments like this with a total blank or if I have to address it with, ok, thank you for your input and move on! Along with a face twerk!

[robinia]

Ignore everything except lobbing stuff.
In detention, set expectation of 5 minutes (or however long you want) of complete silence. Detention ends when expectation is achieved. Praise for achieving it (if achieved!). Just because praise is batted away doesn't mean it is unappreciated.
Poor lines of communication to SMT are not good and need to be ironed out - you need to be able to rely on a higher authority to step in when necessary.

[Perkyduck131]

I'd definitely say parental involvement would be the way to go if the school has no clear policy and SLT aren't being helpful. Perhaps initially a phone call (or even a meeting?) and then arrange weekly phone calls with parent to update on progress and behaviour. And then agree with others with highlighting positive experiences to the student/ parent to reinforce this behaviour. I would the use a line like 'you know l be speaking to parent/ carer on Friday and it's up to you whether that's a positive or negative conversation'

[Perkyduck131]

And it the parents are being defensive then go more down the route of the child having potential and you're worried they won't achieve it rather than focusing exclusively on behaviour (if that makes sense?)