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Holidays and PPA cover.

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Crispyduckroll Thu 30-Mar-17 12:56:51

Name changed for this.

I'm a part time PPA cover teacher. Usually work all day Monday but the week school is returning from Easter is the Tuesday after the Easter Monday bank holiday. So obviously, I'm not going to be in to provide PPA on the Monday, as the school is closed.

Now, is it usual/correct to be expected, by the class teacher I normally cover on Monday morning, to come in and cover her PPA at a time when I wouldn't normally be in school and for it not to be considered overtime?

AlexanderHamilton Thu 30-Mar-17 12:58:59

No, it's not usual to be expected to cover You could for example work for a different school on the other days.

Whether it's overtime however depends on your contract & how much holiday entitlement you get b

PotteringAlong Thu 30-Mar-17 13:01:09

No. If school is closed tough luck - she can't just rearrange your ppa time!

AlexanderHamilton Thu 30-Mar-17 13:03:13

The teacher is still entitled to her ppa time though (less than she'd usually get as it's 10% of her timetabled teaching that week). So the school is supposed to organise something.

PotteringAlong Thu 30-Mar-17 13:10:32

She might be entitled to it but, in reality, has anyone ever taught in a school where that has actually happened?

Crispyduckroll Thu 30-Mar-17 13:10:49

Of course I understand that she's entitled to her PPA but it was my understanding it's up to the head to sort out.

Scarydinosaurs Thu 30-Mar-17 13:48:38

I've never got my PPA back if it happened to be when there was a bank holiday!!

Not a reasonable request at all.

Crispyduckroll Thu 30-Mar-17 15:22:44

I think, for me, it's less to do with whether or not it's overtime than being expected by the class teacher to rearrange my life and come in at a time when I am not usually at work to give her back her PPA because it's fallen on a bank holiday.

AlexanderHamilton Thu 30-Mar-17 15:24:27

It should be up to the head really to ask if you are available on the different day & would you like to work that day.

There should not be an automatic expectation.

Crispyduckroll Thu 30-Mar-17 15:26:50

Alexander that's precisely what I felt was correct. I advised her to ask the head first but she seems reluctant to do so.

Finola1step Thu 30-Mar-17 15:28:01

The onus is on the school to make sure that she gets her 10% of that working week. It should not be automatically assumed that you will do it on one of your non working days as you may well have other commitments. If you do agree to go it, you should be paid overtime.

Crispyduckroll Thu 30-Mar-17 15:30:32

Finola That was my line of thinking on the matter too.

MaisyPops Thu 30-Mar-17 15:33:32

Our school (secondary) like mpst other secondaries, if you have PPA lessons and school isnt in its just unlucky.

You win some you lose some.
Plus its more stress and hassle to set cover for an hour later in the week than to teach the lesson and set the class off on something independent and get some stuff done.

thatdearoctopus Thu 30-Mar-17 19:13:32

Absolutely not! And it shouldn't be up to her to attempt to rearrange your working hours to benefit herself anyway.

Refer this to the Head. She is due some PPA time, but it is not your responsibility to provide it at your own expense. IF you are prepared to work an additional half day, you should be paid for it.

winnietherpooh Thu 30-Mar-17 21:04:53

We've always forfeited our ppa on that day. You can't work an extra day to give this to her. Speak to head.

thatdearoctopus Thu 30-Mar-17 21:09:13

And this is why no one ever wants PPA on a Monday!

teacher54321 Thu 30-Mar-17 21:13:27

No no no! is she going to expect you to do this in May as well?!! Speak to the head. Under no circumstances come in unpaid to make this time up.

rollonthesummer Sat 01-Apr-17 17:10:33

Is she expecting you to sort this out, not her?!

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