How should this teacher be dealt with?

[Babbaganush]

Have change some details so not identifying.

Dc came home from school upset that DHT had confiscated an item of hers and from a few other classmates. Pupils arrived at class to find teacher not there, message comes through to go to hall where teacher was doing something. Class sit around while teacher gets on with what they are doing. A pupil askes if they can do something that is a direct breech of school rules, teacher agrees as long as he is not disturbed. Towards the end of the lesson DHT walks in and confiscates items from pupils near the door (those who had seen him approach hid items before he could see) Class teacher allows DHT to give pupils seen breaking the rules a telling off.
My dc is a stickler for the rules and was mortified to have been told off for something they had been allowed to do by teacher. I emailed school and explained dc version of events, head investigated and confirmed dc version was correct and that teacher was very much in the wrong, did not have permission to be where he was and should have been teaching class.
As far as I was concerned the matter was closed. Dc had this teacher this week and they went on a rant to the whole class and singled out dc mentioning my email!!! Dc was very upset, was seen by the HT after the lesson who enquired what was wrong. I have emailed the school with my concerns and the HT has been great, agrees teacher should not have raised the issue.
It is now in schools hands, my question is what action would you expect to be taken? Secondary school dc is Y7.

[noblegiraffe]

Whatever action is taken, you shouldn't get to hear about it.

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

Whatever action is taken, you shouldn't get to hear about it.

^ this

[Babbaganush]

I am fully aware that I will not get to know what action is taken. My question was what action you would expect to be taken?

[ATruthUniversallyAcknowledged]

what action you would expect to be taken?

Whatever action the head teacher feels is appropriate.

Don't get me wrong. The teacher was absolutely wrong (twice) but there's a lot missing from this story and there'll be a lot that you don't know. So long as there are no more negativity for your son, you shouldn't expect to hear the outcomr of this.

[EveningShadows]

Yes, agree with ATruth - it's up to the school now, leave it with them.

[Leatherboundanddown]

Was the 'behaviour' using headphones?

[pieceofpurplesky]

I reckon behaviour was then being on their phone

[Astro55]

This is a bit odd! DD sometimes is allows on her phone when the teacher is busy or work finished against school rules.

The teacher was allowing them to use the phones - and the children know it's a treat!

Why did you complain? What did you expect?

[Babbaganush]

I complained because DC had item confiscated by DHT and was reprimanded for breaking school rules when teacher had given the class permission! Teacher was covering their arse and pretending not to have seen when they had in fact given permission. DC wanted to clear their name of wrongdoing as poor behaviour can impact on attending trips etc.
I did not expect teacher to rant at dc in front of the class which is why second complaint has been made.
I am leaving it to the school. I was just interested to hear a teacher perspective on this.

[ATruthUniversallyAcknowledged]

Honestly, I don't think much will happen. We're teachers. Not saints. The teacher was wrong to not own up to letting them have their phones out and wrong to blame your son for the email, but neither are spectacularly serious issues - misjudgement rather than misconduct. The headteacher will probably 'have a word' and that will be it. There's loads of context you don't know though and that will also impact on how it is handled.

[Babbaganush]

I don't expect teachers to be saints, I take my hat of to you, it's a job I wouldn't want to do. I can't agree that ranting at a pupil in front of the class is simply a "misjudgement" though!

[Astro55]

Well why didn't your son understand that it's 'against the rules' and hide his phone quicker? Not the others fault they hid theirs in time!

She ranted because you complained - and believe me they won't be allowed any down time now with their phones - no doubt the other kids will know this and give your son grief over it!

I think your son knew this better than you did!

[Babbaganush]

Asto55
What a load of crap!!!

[MrsGuyOfGisbo]

Honestly, I don't think much will happen
This. Most that will happen is that HT tells teacher to try to avoid that situation, but they have a bit of laugh about 'that' parent.

[Astro55]

LOL

So if the teacher told them to go a rob a shop and one got caught - the defense is 'but they told me too?'

Life doesn't work like that - they knew it was wrong and did it anyway - they knew the consequences for getting caught -

You then complained because what? 'The teacher told him too?'

[ATruthUniversallyAcknowledged]

i can't agree that ranting at a pupil in front of the class is simply a "misjudgement" though!

Again, it's context isn't it? You've heard your son's version of this. The teachers version might be very different. I've 'ranted' at kids before. It's not my favourite way of communicating with them, but sometimes it's necessary.

What do you think should happen?

[ATruthUniversallyAcknowledged]

Teacher's

(My phone likes to make me look stupid)

[kesstrel]

Surely the issue here is that (assuming the pupil's account is true, which I know it may not be) this teacher told off a pupil for prompting a justified email of complaint from a parent?

I've just emailed my daughter's school about a specific and very clear problem with the material for a lesson; but the first thing I said, at the top of the email, was a request to keep my daughter anonymous, for this very reason.

[MaisyPops]

Whatever action is taken, you shouldn't get to hear about it.

Another one who thinks this.

Colleagues who let kids do things they shouldn't drive me up the wall and the outburst at the class was uncalled for.
It's entirely up to the head and no parents should get running updates.

I've just emailed my daughter's school about a specific and very clear problem with the material for a lesson; but the first thing I said, at the top of the email, was a request to keep my daughter anonymous, for this very reason.
If someone was getting in touch with my school having issues with my lesson I'd damn well want to know who/where it's come from (or how on earth am I meant to know which kid has a problem?). I'd also be massively irritated that rather than approach me as a class teacher they've contacted someone over my head so I've had no opportunity to speak to them or for them to share any information I need to be aware of. It's basically tattle taling.

[Astro55]

If someone was getting in touch with my school having issues with my lesson I'd damn well want to know who/where it's come from

Interesting point - most schools will not give you the teachers email address and you have to contact the office directly - no way round it!

I wish it was different!

[MaisyPops]

Astro55
People can email the main school address and say which member of staff it's for. Reception staff pass messages to staff. I'd expect the name of the student so I can give appropriate information/note down any info I need to know.Or they could call and ask for a call back. Same information needed.

No need to have people contacting school above the classroom teacher about an issue that they've not attempted to discuss with class teacher. Equally, no reason to not give the student it concerns. Without either of those 2 things it just comes across like wanting to complain about a teacher to someone senior. I can't see what benefit it would be to contact school about an issue with material from class that is about a teacher, but not to the teacher, and not mentioning the student/wanting the teacher not to be told.

[Jellybellyqueen]

You don't think your dc was biased do you, reporting back to you that the teacher had a 'rant' at the class in general and dc in particular? He had told off the pupils caught, do you really think he then went on to note it in their permanent records? Which will affect their school trip prospects?
You sound way too overinvested in making sure this teacher gets punished. Glad your kid doesn't go to my school!

[llhj]

Just forget it now. It's over. I agree with previous poster, you sound over involved and invested. Why didn't you state it was a phone in the op, they was a weird omission, it's not exactly a sex toy they all had out!

[FourToTheFloor]

What year is your dc in? I'm sure this has happened to me and my dm has just said suck it up. I really can't believe you emailed the school.

[TheoriginalLEM]

really balanced set of answers here I absolutely would want to know the outcome of this if this were my child. This teacher has behaved terribly and singled out your child, setting him up as a potential target for bullying. All professions need to be transparent and teaching is no different. This teacher soubds like they aren't coping