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Can a teacher or HT answer this please?

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Lucsy Tue 19-Apr-16 18:29:00

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clam Tue 19-Apr-16 20:45:03

They would be pretty fed up about it, for sure. In a full-ish class, each child accounts for nearly 3% in a league table. A 3% drop not only makes the school look bad compared with others nearby, unfairly, but could also push it down across the boundary for triggering an inspection for lack of progress over the Key Stage.

I presume you're talking about KS2?

DraenorQueen Tue 19-Apr-16 20:49:17

I'd be pretty gutted, to be honest. In our school we work hard to ensure our FSM children are given every chance to succeed and given the nature of our school our FSM data is scrutinised very closely indeed. Clam is completely correct about the possible consequences for the school.
Without debating why you may not want her to do the tests, I'm just going to say I think as a parent I personally think you should keep conveying to her that SATs are just something you have to do. You do your best and it's FINE. Then you move on and look forward to a nice Summer term.

purplemoonlight Tue 19-Apr-16 21:31:14

But it's not really fine, is it, because a lot of secondary schools do (wrongly) set on the basis of SATs.

I completely understand both sides of this argument but I think OP just has to do right by her daughter.

BetweenTwoLungs Tue 19-Apr-16 21:34:35

I'm a Y6 teacher, I'd be pretty gutted. We work so hard, it would hit our percentages and rightly or wrongly it's what we have to work towards as Y6 teachers.

Also my pay is linked to SATs performance (again, rightly or wrongly, it is) so if it pushed our % down my pay would be frozen.

Lucsy Tue 19-Apr-16 21:42:32

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Lucsy Tue 19-Apr-16 21:43:21

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pippitysqueakity Tue 19-Apr-16 21:56:18

Well OP, performance pay for teachers is generally based on performance of pupils. How else would they base it? If a high flyer, as your DC would seem to be does not attend the SAT, the scores, on average , would reduce, therefore the performance ( of the teacher ) would be deemed to be less.
I often wonder how other PRP colleagues would fare if their pay increase depended on 30 hormonal 11/12/13 yr olds on one given day.

Letseatgrandma Tue 19-Apr-16 21:58:22

Wait a sec. You pay is linked to the results?

Yep sad

Lucsy Tue 19-Apr-16 22:00:55

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Smartiepants79 Tue 19-Apr-16 22:07:34

Yes, every result matters. I and my colleagues would be absolutely up shit creek if any of our high achievers didn't take the tests. Each of our kids is worth about 13% of our overall scores.
And previous posters are correct, vulnerable groups such as fsm are more closely monitored.
We dislike the tests as much as anyone and even boycotted the whole lot one year ( can't remember how we got away with that) but my performance targets are dependent on these kids doing well.

sunnydayinmay Tue 19-Apr-16 22:08:05

It can make a huge difference. Our school was downgraded to a 3 (Requires Improvement) solely on the Ofsted inspector's view of progress in one subject in Key Stage 2.

My ds1's year were the year 6 immediately before the next inspection. If his class hadn't pulled it off, I know that would have lost our wonderful Head and Deputy.

This is how crazy the system is. A head teacher's career depending on a group of hormonal and tired 10 and 11 year olds.

They would be able to explain the reasons to the Inspector, but the starting point is always the data.

Lucsy Tue 19-Apr-16 22:10:29

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Lucsy Tue 19-Apr-16 22:13:26

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FATEdestiny Tue 19-Apr-16 22:16:25

I have to protect my daughter

Can the school not protect her? (emotionally, intellectually, mentally, physically)

clam Tue 19-Apr-16 22:18:44

"...but I think OP just has to do right by her daughter."

I disagree. I think that's a very selfish attitude.
How many posters do we see on here, particularly at this time of year, desperate to get their child into a school that has a good Ofsted rating? Rightly or wrongly (wrongly, in most teachers' opinions), they think that's the be-all and end-all of a school's worth. Yet it's actions like this, when parents who are about to finish with the primary system, are prepared to sell down the river the school that has worked so hard with their children for 7 years; in all areas, not just the 3Rs.

Every single point from every single child counts in this fucked up system we teachers have to work with. No one is more hacked off with it than the teachers themselves. But to have a bright child (in particular) opt out of SATs and make a hugely negative impact on a school's position and reputation and the teachers' salaries, is a massive slap in the face. I acknowledge that the OP hasn't given her reasons for withdrawing her child, and they may be compelling ones, but I've seen a fair few posters on similar threads vowing to do the same thing, "just because."

As I said, very selfish.

Lucsy Tue 19-Apr-16 22:20:46

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purplemoonlight Tue 19-Apr-16 22:20:58

I think if you can't be selfish when it comes to your own child, when can you be.

clam Tue 19-Apr-16 22:22:08

I think if you can't be selfish when it comes to your own child, when can you be.

Nonsense. What an appalling attitude.

clam Tue 19-Apr-16 22:23:18

She herself is adamant she isn't doing them

So, will you let her opt out of GCSEs if she fancies? Or A'levels? Or is that different, because you can more easily see the benefit to her?

sunnydayinmay Tue 19-Apr-16 22:24:18

I know you don't want to discuss details, OP, but I just think of it as a team effort. The teachers do their bit, the pupils do their bit, and the parents support.

You can protect your daughter whilst still sitting the SATS.

Pipbin Tue 19-Apr-16 22:24:56

Do they think you don't bother? Or don't try? What the actual fuck?

This is why teachers go on strike - no matter what the Daily Mail might say.

Lucsy Tue 19-Apr-16 22:26:00

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DraenorQueen Tue 19-Apr-16 22:31:25

You mention earlier how high achieving she is. If this is the case and she's been working hard all year and succeeding, she's in a really good place to simply sit the SATs and do well. Can you enthuse her somehow by pointing out how brilliantly she's doing? Encourage some competition with herself?

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