Expected pay - is it so bad?

[Crossroads2]

I've been teaching abroad. Have only taught for five years and haven't worked for 8. So I guess I'm starting over.

I would hope to get some extra responsibilities quite early on (done a masters in school leadership). I'm desperate to go back into the classroom but I don't think I can afford to.

Could any one give me an idea of what kind of salary someone like me would return on?

Thanks so much.

[Pippidoeswhatshewants]

You can look up teacher salary pay grades online.
Here's one example www3.hants.gov.uk/education/educationjobshampshire/educationjobshome/education-eps-payscales.htm

[Crossroads2]

Thanks for the link. But what does this mean for someone like me? Do I go right back to the beginning? I have only taught in the UK for three years.

[PotteringAlong]

You go back in where you left off from so you would be at m3.

[Stitchintime1]

But why would you underplay what you did abroad. Was it rubbish? Or a proper school? Did you have responsibilities?

[downgraded]

So a teacher earns between £22k and £32k?

So 22k for an NQT then how do you know how much it goes up every year? So for say 4 yrs pqe?

Is £32k really the most you can earn as a regular classroom teacher?!

[Tumbpin]

No it's 37k, after that you have to take on a leadership position

[downgraded]

What do you have to do to get on the upper pay scale?

[TheFallenMadonna]

What do you teach?

[downgraded]

Primary classroom teacher since 2011 but last two years I've been doing SEN small group work.

I'm abroad at the moment, hence I've got no clue about UK scales. I'm just wondering what I'd go back to. Does time off on maternity count too?

Sorry for the hijack....

[Whichseason]

By goes up every year do you mean cost of living or moving up the pay scale?

The gov has just announced 1% inflation increase every year for the next 4 years. This is less than inflation. Moving up the pay scale depends on your school, but it is possible to move up to m6 by moving up a level a year.

If you left on an m3 then you will probably return on a m4. Leadership roles will rely on there been a need for somebody, you being the best person for the Jon and the school actually having money to pay them.

[downgraded]

I mean moving up the pay scale.

I left without even my QTS. I've only ever worked abroad. I did two years in the classroom, then had a year off on maternity, then did two years small group work and got my QTS during this time.

I'd be coming back on M1 wouldn't?

[TheFallenMadonna]

You got your QTS abroad?

[downgraded]

Yes, rules changed two years ago, you can get something called the QTLS from abroad.

[TheFallenMadonna]

There is no automatic progression. Progression is dependent on performance. Nor are academies obliged to pay you the same as you were earning in a previous position. We will pay considerably more for a good teacher in shortage subject though.

[Whichseason]

School nolong have to follow the pay scales or move you up every year.

[downgraded]

Hmm so what do you think? M1?

[Whichseason]

It may all depend on the type of school you were working at before and which area of the UK want to work in.

[TheFallenMadonna]

Depends on how keen they are to recruit you. I don't know what the primary job market is like.

[coolaschmoola]

QTLS is Qualified Teacher Learning and Skills. It isn't quite the same as QTS as it's for teaching 14+. To teach primary you will need QTS.

I have PGCE and QTLS and teach in FE. I can't teach primary without retraining.

[coolaschmoola]

I can teach secondary, officially only y10 and y11 - some secondary schools ask people with QTLS to do an additional course to achieve QTS.

[downgraded]

coola since 2012 QTLS has been recognised as equivalent to QTS, hence why I did it late. Before that there wouldn't have been any point as I'm a primary teacher.

[Whichseason]

Which part of the country will you be looking to work in? If there are lots do primary teachers they can pay whatever they want if there is not then you will be able to ask for more.

[downgraded]

It's theoretical at the moment Which.

To be honest, by the looks of things I'm far better off sitting tight. I'm in a private school, small classes, minimal red tape and earn probably £10k more a year than I could get in the UK, plus government benefits....

[Crossroads2]

I worked at an international school so am not sure if that counts. So I guess I would be on m3 or m4. Not enticing.

[TheFallenMadonna]

It isn't about your experience counting for scale points, it's about how much schools want/need to employ you. We have appointed a couple of teachers for September from International schools, on competitive scale points (not M3/4), because we really wanted them. It really does depend what you are offering.