Part-time staff on school trip

[smugmumofboys]

I'll try to keep this vague. If you teach part-time and you go on a trip (UK or overseas) and this falls on a day, or part day, on which you usually don't work, does your school pay you?

I'm not talking about weekends or evenings as nobody gets paid for these.

[BackforGood]

I've never been paid, but the odd time I've done it, it's been at my own instigation - I've arranged the trip IYSWIM, rather than being asked to go by the school, or it "being expected" because you are in the Yr group that always goes.
If they are asking you to go, then I would expect them to offer you days off in lieu or pay, yes.

[noblegiraffe]

No. I haven't been forced to go on the trips though. They have been afternoon trips when I don't normally work in the afternoon but I've fancied going.

If I'd asked for payment they'd have just found someone else to go.

[CatKisser]

My TA is part time and recently came with me on a residential with no extra pay. I was extremely grateful but IMO it was a massive ask of her

[Hulababy]

Yes - if our teaching staff go on a school trip on their day off they are either paid for that day, or given time off at another time, if possible to arrange.

[smugmumofboys]

Interesting replies. Thank you all.

I'm trip leader and am taking students abroad. On one of the days we are there I usually only do a half day. It hadn't occurred to me to ask for payment but then I met some colleagues at an event and some of those who were pt got payment in such circs as a matter of course.

I asked my head and he said no as essentially no-one asked me to organise a trip. The fact that no-one else in the dept was prepared to do it is neither here nor there tbh.

It's just yet another bit of chipping away at my goodwill and I'm certainly not alone in feeling that way.

[Hulababy]

None of our teachers or TAs even have to ask. The HT has always had this policy; the new HT who took over this term (was DH) follows the same policy.
We just fill in the extra hours form, hand it to the office and it gets sorted.

[smugmumofboys]

It sounds like you have great ht there hula. Ours seems to forget that goodwill runs both ways.

[toomuchicecream]

Yes. I've led year 6 residentials with both part time teachers and TAs (including me one year). Always paid full time hours for the week. You're giving up your evenings and sleep, so it's unreasonable to ask people to work the days for free too.

When I did a year six trip over a weekend (different school) I got 2 days off in lieu to be taken whenever I wanted. Could be the following week for recovery, or at any other time of my choosing.

[smugmumofboys]

That's really interesting toomuch. That's kind of my gut reaction: I shouldn't even have to ask and yet I feel like I've asked for something unreasonable. Anyway, I've contacted my union so we'll see.

[bloodyteenagers]

Anything that goes over our hours, we are told to full out a form to get paid.
Residential trip, a bit extra in your wages plus a couple of days off.
We have staff on different wages, and the school is aware that some staff could go under the nmw from extra hours, so has the blanket policy of everyone claims/days off in lieu.

[smugmumofboys]

To be honest, I'd just like the money. It seems unfair that the other staff on the trip will be getting paid when I'm not, purely by dint of the fact that they are ft.

[PetulaGordino]

this is interesting. dp is a fulltime teacher, and because he has various additional responsibilities that include running residential school trips, he has so far spent february and may half terms, half of the easter holidays, and 9 out of the last 12 weekends away on residential trips with school. he doesn't get paid any extra. he does have to point this out when colleagues complain about covering his lessons due to trips because they're perceived as jollies

[PetulaGordino]

op what happens at your school if trips go over weekends or holidays?

[PetulaGordino]

sorry, i've only just noticed that you've excluded these in the op

but i'm still wondering about this

[stillenacht1]

Nope...no more than usual. Recently did 4 days abroad (including full weekend) and taught 12 days on trot...no extra.

[MrsKCastle]

Yes. I usually work mornings, if I am asked to do an all-day trip (or stay and work the afternoon for another reason) the SMT always remind me to claim for it.

[MsRainbow]

I work mornings and if I ever do an afternoon then I have a morning off at another time. I don't think I would ever get paid for it but management never have issue with me taking the owed time off.

[HeartsTrumpDiamonds]

I pay our teachers for pretty much every second they spend (timetabled) in school or for school IYSWIM. I mean, I don't pay them for a little extra marking or planning or whatever but if they go on a trip on one of their days off, residential or otherwise, they get paid. And staff on residential trips get a £50 spa or M&S voucher on their return. Not even a drop in the bucket compared to the work and responsibility they take on in doing a residential, but they do appreciate it.

[smugmumofboys]

Hearts. Please may I come and work for you?

Petula - we don't get paid for holidays or weekends anyway, so I wouldn't expect to get paid for them. You just kind of suck it up. My point here is that we're away during a working week when everyone else will be getting paid for the full day. Except me but I won't be working any less than them and can't finish at lunchtime as I would normally do.

This has been really interesting, to hear about the range of experiences.

[stillenacht1]

Smugmumofboys I agree

[HeartsTrumpDiamonds]

I would love to offer all of you jobs believe me! We are an independent school and I wish the funding existed for all teachers in the state sector to be treated well. Or at least better than they are. You guys have better maternity provision than us though.

[GretchenWiener]

I'm doing this on next week. Don't presume to bs pays as I volunteered knowing it's my day off.