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sending in lesson plans when off sick or other, special, leave?

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overthemill Wed 25-Sep-13 09:44:55

just a quick poll really. My school expects staff to send in lesson plans /cover when sick. Has to be by 7.30 am. So when I'm really ill (which I have to be to phone in) I also have to provide a lesson and send it in? Obviously I have lesson plans at school but not necessarily at home. So I have to get up early and think something up. If it's planned leave that's ok (eg hospital apt) but when unwell? It's also an expectation for other leave, eg if off unpaid when own kids are ill.

Is this normal and is it reasonable? My sister's school doesn't expect this btw.

ravenAK Sun 06-Oct-13 20:56:47

This came up a few years ago when I was doing a Union Rep training course.

If you are not going in to work because you are too ill to work, your responsibility is to let school know, asap & via whatever channel is school policy. That's it.

You cannot be expected to set work or do anything else work-related, because you are Not At Work because you are Not Fit For Work.

In the real world, if I'm off because say I've broken a couple of ribs in a Lego-related incident, as last year, there's obviously no reason why I can't email in work. It's better for the students, less hassle for whichever colleague otherwise has to sort it out, & means it's easier for me to pick up the pieces on my return.

My school has a culture/expectation that, in a spirit of professional goodwill, you provide as much in the way of lesson suggestions as you possibly can - I've emailed confused ramblings before now whilst self, dh & 3dc were all riding the Norovirus train...

However, it cannot be a requirement. You can't be reproached for not sending in lesson plans etc, because as soon as you've let school know you are too ill to aren't working.

Really, any decent Department should be able to provide one day's worth of acceptable cover work. We have an electronic folder for each Scheme of Learning - it's mostly scans of slightly dated worksheets, & topic-related videos, but it creates a breathing space so that if someone's going to be off for several days, another member of the Dept. can then plan the next few days & liaise with the supply teacher.

sheridand Sat 05-Oct-13 19:11:56

When I was teaching in Secondary ( last year was 2007) I was expected to phone in by 7.30 and email cover by 8am. Any planned absence was obviously different.

Now, returning to work as a HLTA, it seems the rules haven't changed. I cover at the last minute, and work is mailed in. Doesn't matter if it's bare bones, just a skeleton to hang stuff on is good if you're covering!

mineofuselessinformation Fri 04-Oct-13 22:26:23

Sorry if this is a repeat of what has already been said...
I keep a working planner which I bring home with me, so I can give an outline of what my classes should be doing.
I also keep a planner at school, in which I write up what has been done, all home works set etc.
My department works to a set scheme, so it is easy for someone to set what comes next if I am unable to. Doesn't prevent supply staff from losing the work you have spent hours slaving over for a planned absence though.
If you are too ill to go to work, IME you are too ill to set work. I also don't think it's legal for school to insist on this.

Loshad Fri 04-Oct-13 22:14:23

overthemill sorry to hear you have had to resign. Coldfusion thank the fuck you are not slt where i work. I have never had a day off since i moved to teaching, but if i did i would definitely be too ill to set cover work. I have worked previously in 2 other professions/other jobs and in neither of them would you be expected to sort any work out if too ill to go to work. Your comments are typical of ill informed, jumped up, never been out of teaching types imo.
I have detailed lesson plans on the system for all my classes, but i am a science teacher, and a strong advocate of a range of pedalogical approaches, so that virtually none of them would be suitable as cover ie i don't do sit down shut up and write lessons. I also don't have a textbook at home, as i rarely (never?) use them in class so would not be able to refer to page x.
My Hod is great, efficient as hods should be and easily capable of setting some cover work or delegating that task in the time between 8 am and first lesson at 9am.

SuffolkNWhat Sun 29-Sep-13 15:01:54

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

overthemill Sun 29-Sep-13 14:14:00

I haven't contacted union this time. Haven't found them very helpful in past. But for me at this point in my life I simply can't manage this much hassle. I've tried my best but am just not up to it. Love the job still and want to go with good reference so that maybe when I'm 100% I could try somewhere else

Arisbottle Sun 29-Sep-13 13:16:07

Overthemill have you contacted your union?

clam Sun 29-Sep-13 13:14:04

How sad, overthmill.
I wonder if it might have been different if you'd had a more understanding management team.

Good luck.

overthemill Sun 29-Sep-13 13:10:59

well i have handed in my notice

Arisbottle Sun 29-Sep-13 13:09:17

I had time off last year because I had a miscarriage. I phoned my head of department to let him know where I was up to with my classes and he set my cover - much of which was from the pre planned cover lessons we had planned as a department.

If my HOD had said to me I know you are grieving and still bleeding but I would like you to plan a series of lessons I would have handed in my notice there and then.

overthemill Sun 29-Sep-13 13:03:48

wow! lots of weekend responses from teachers! i still maintain that if you are off sick, you are ill and shouldn't have to send in cover. Maybe say year 5 is doing 'mathilda' or year 7 has just finished nuclear fusion (you can tell i'm not a science teacher). But detailed lessons? no way. I got 4 texts from our cover admin person first day and 3 emails from Head about it. I supplied cover for first 3 days but not last 5 days. sent in email saying it wasn't possible. Going in tomorrow, no way am i fully fit but i can stand up now and that'll have to be good enough. and i am a professional and this is not my first career. I am rarely off ill but since having cancer it's commonplace.

Beveridge Sat 28-Sep-13 21:07:22

* except in an emergency! Funnily enough, I didn't give a stuff about my cover plans when I went into preterm labour or dealing with serious illness of close family members.

Beveridge Sat 28-Sep-13 21:03:03

Secondary teacher in Scotland - the expectation is that you will email in cover lessons when absent but only if you are in a position to do so. Quite frankly, I prefer to set my own cover even in an emergency as it helps avoid having to unpick a shambles when you come back.

I plan my lessons on the day (sometimes as I go, depending on how crazy things have been/how good an idea I've just had!). Obviously we have the courses already written for each year group but I couldn't tell you exactly what I would be doing with each class in 2 lessons time - that depends on lots of different factors.For example, I may decide a certain class needs more practise with a certain exam skill or that another class has taken to a particular topic really well so we might do a follow-up activity.

olivo Sat 28-Sep-13 20:32:09

Wow,I am so surprised at some of the comments here. I am not in the Uk, but working in state education. If off sick ( or with children, we get 5 "family days" for emergencies, largely due to the fact that people don't have family around to bail them out) you must phone school or text before 7.30. We all text the whole dept, then of possible, email work in. Some days, my emails have been, this is the topic, find them something. To do, or draw a poster, or book ICt rooms, other times, especially when DCs are ill, it is very detailed.

We bail each other out, but none of us is unprofessional. If you're ill le enough to be off, you're too ill to work.

Donki Sat 28-Sep-13 19:32:41

CF No, DH is not a teacher. But he is a professional. He is not expected to work whilst ill. Very much to the point, when people were arguing that working from home whilst ill was a requirement for a professional. I however AM a teacher...

clam Sat 28-Sep-13 19:29:19

Anyway, much as I'm enjoying hmm this debate, I have to zoom. Real world is calling.... oh, wait, I don't know what that is.

TheFallenMadonna Sat 28-Sep-13 19:18:39

Or what everyone else has said blush

clam Sat 28-Sep-13 19:17:49

Aha! Now we have it! The real world: forces, industry and commerce AND TEACHING!
We're up there with the main guys!

coldconfusion, do you deliberately misunderstand people in your 'professional' life, too?

TheFallenMadonna Sat 28-Sep-13 19:17:42

It's about working in a team though, no? If I am away and can set cover, I do, because it makes my colleagues' lives easier. And my colleagues do the same, because we all appreciate how hard the rest of the team work. If you can't, someone steps in and does it. Ultimately, the cover is sorted because the kids need to do something!

A very few people take the piss. Which is a shame.

KatyPutTheCuttleOn Sat 28-Sep-13 19:13:55

I would expect there to be a lesson plan for the first week as you don't plan on the day do you? If there is only one class in the year then presumably somebody else would have to plan after week 1 but if there is more than one class per year then I'd expect the other teachers to share their lesson plans.

SilverApples Sat 28-Sep-13 19:10:13

Yup, some people like to climb that ladder and entertain themselves on the way by peeing on those beneath them.
T'was ever thus, in the forces, industry, commerce and teaching.

Orangeanddemons Sat 28-Sep-13 19:07:18

I luuurve my colleagues. They are the reason I set cover

chibi Sat 28-Sep-13 19:02:29

i set my own cover work when i was passing a kidney stone, in premature labour, going to the funerals of each of my parents in law, and my grandmother

i really needn't have bothered, i am an unprofessional goon with no knowledge whatsoever of the real world, i really should have lived down to expectations.

fwiwi have also set cover for absent colleagues and never begrudged it because i (wrongly it would seem) thought teamwork and supporting ones colleagues was the professional thing to do. silly me, i will bitch moan and slag off my colleagues instead, like some posters on this thread hmm

Orangeanddemons Sat 28-Sep-13 18:58:59

BUT the bottom line is, you are NOT supposed to set cover when off, unless it is a planned absence. So no one should be phoning in/ emailing cover, although I do grin but that is to save my poor stressed colleagues. They should be routines in place in all schools to cope with absences, that do not involve the absent staff.

I only tell people where my classes are up to, and to find them something suitable in the cover folder... Lesson plans ..pah!

SilverApples Sat 28-Sep-13 18:57:38

'Is this another primary secondary thing? Supply knowing their shit?'

Yes, in my own little bubble, burbling away. grin

My last two primaries used supply from day one where possible and covered it from budget, insurance kicked in after three days.

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