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What hourly rate would you expect to teach a ks2 child 1-1 in ms school?

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Summerhasloaded Sun 21-Jul-13 06:24:43

It's a long story, but ds will be in y6 next Sep. he can't cope with being in the classroom and has spent the last 6 months with a TA in a room on his own. He has a statement (ASD) and the LA won't agree to a SS.

I know a school that has provided a qualified teacher in similar circumstances so I'm considering making a case for one.

Can anyone help?

exoticfruits Sun 21-Jul-13 07:25:58

It would be a supply teacher's rate. Take a teacher's salary and divide it by the number of possible teaching days in a year to get the sum they would get for one day and then divide it by the number if teaching hours in a day. It is a lot more than a TA! Schools don't have the funding for it.

Inclusionist Sun 21-Jul-13 07:35:49

A teacher just for your DS would cost the school upwards of £24k+ on costs (that would be for an NQT). In my LA a place in a Resource Base costs the school £10k (from delegated funding) and the LA £9k (top up) so this would be a much more cost effective solution. Are there any schools with ASD Resources?

The school/LA is excluding your son. He has as much right to be taught by a qualified teacher as an NT kid. I would have the LA for disability discrimation if your DS being in a room on his own with a TA is their only proposal.

Inclusionist Sun 21-Jul-13 07:39:50

BTW daily rate is around £100 - £200 per day.

Summerhasloaded Sun 21-Jul-13 07:42:06


I've just googled and found this:

The STPCD provides only that supply teachers engaged for periods of less than a day must be paid on a pro rata basis.

The NUT recommends an hourly rate of 1/950th of the annual salary for each hour of teaching or other work, while the DFE has recommended that any hourly rate of pay should be on the basis on a day of 6.48 hours (1265/195) or the total length of the school’s pupil day (see following section).

So I just need to find job vacancies for KS2 supply teachers and do the sums, I guess.

Summerhasloaded Sun 21-Jul-13 07:51:32

1/950th x average £35,000 pa = approx £37 per hour

God, it's too early on a Sunday morning to be doing this!

exoticfruits Sun 21-Jul-13 07:53:18

That sounds about right- much more than a TA!

Summerhasloaded Sun 21-Jul-13 08:05:15

thanks exotic and Inclusionist thanks

Very useful!

Inclusionist Sun 21-Jul-13 08:17:38

An NQT would be £25k ish so by the 1/950 formula £26p/h

Do you not think full time 1:1 would be very isolating for your DS. It may be what he is most comfortable with but he does need to practice his social skills and be helped to learn to manage his anxieties, not just avoid them.

He sounds like he needs an ASD specific environment. You need to hold your LA to account over this. I would get the SENCo to call a TAC including his SEN Case Officer and GET CROSS!!!

Summerhasloaded Sun 21-Jul-13 08:42:06

Thanks Inclusionist. I have got VERY cross, and and have appealed to SENDIST to change his placement to an independent specialist one.

Unfortunately there is no maintained asd-specific provision in my LA, so there is no reasoning with the SEN case officer. I have been through all the arguments, discussions, meetings, ad nauseum, but there is no reasoning with them. Ds' school have repeatedly said they can't meet his needs.

I'm trying to work out the costs of actually meeting his needs in a ms school, hence enquiring about the costs of a 1-1 teacher. I also need to factor in therapy costs.

Inclusionist Sun 21-Jul-13 08:55:17

I feel for you.

How dare the LA let your DS languish in a room with a TA.

TwllBach Sun 21-Jul-13 09:02:23

An nqt is on £21,588 as long as you're not in London if that helps grin

TwllBach Sun 21-Jul-13 09:03:01

Oh and in my county and the 2 surrounding, supply is £110 a day.

soapboxqueen Sun 21-Jul-13 09:07:51

Then they should be looking for provision outside of your LEA. Where I work there are a few small LEAs together and we get sent, and we send, children to and from other LEAs depending on the specialist setting needed. The child's LEA pays the new LEA for the placement.

It's good that the school have admitted they cannot provide for him. otherwise you would be fighting on two fronts. As others have said, this is discrimination and cannot continue long term.

Inclusionist Sun 21-Jul-13 09:11:55

Do any neighbouring LAs have state ASD provision? This would be a cheaper and therefore more palatable option for your LA.

Summerhasloaded Sun 21-Jul-13 10:19:58

There is one in a neighbouring LA about 75 minutes away, much too far. All admissions are in the preceding March for Sep, and one intake of 8 a year in September. And it's full with waiting lists within the LA.

There is no option apart from the indy placement.

exoticfruits Sun 21-Jul-13 10:35:07

No one sounds in the least helpful- they surely can't intend him to go through school in isolation? sad

Summerhasloaded Sun 21-Jul-13 11:47:21

They are saying it's only one year as he will be entering Y6. Apparently it doesn't matter he's hardly accessed any learning in the last 18 months angry.

My LA does have an asd resource at secondary level, but dc are meant to be in classes most of the time, and at the resource at the beginning and end of day. It's already been proven ds is unable to cope in a busy mainstream classroom.

soapboxqueen Sun 21-Jul-13 11:53:32

Do they have any facilities outside of main stream schooling?

exoticfruits Sun 21-Jul-13 13:16:27

So basically they are all washing their hands of him? He is being contained and not educated? Is that the picture?

Summerhasloaded Sun 21-Jul-13 13:59:22

soapboxqueen - nothing suitable. If you are have average or above cognitive abilities, you are supposed to fit into mainstream unless your behaviour is so challenging they send you to a BESD school.

You've got it, exoticfruits - shut up and put up! Well, not me.

exoticfruits Sun 21-Jul-13 14:25:14

I find it quite appalling. I will give it some thought.

exoticfruits Sun 21-Jul-13 14:59:13

Have you looked at the Gov UK site on statements and special needs?

Summerhasloaded Sun 21-Jul-13 15:06:47

Thanks. I said a few posts back that ds has a statement and I have appealed to SEN tribunal to change his placement.

I think it's a matter of waiting till the hearing now, as the LEA can't be reasoned with.

Thank you flowers

exoticfruits Sun 21-Jul-13 17:16:31

You could try the CAB for advice.

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