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To wonder why Camilla is Duchess of Cornall, and Kate to be made Countess of Strathearn... When neither are Cornish or Scottish?

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Carlia Thu 07-Jun-12 17:23:15

Ummm, I'm fairly apathectic about the Royal family in general but I do find this strange... AIBU?

nagynolonger Thu 07-Jun-12 18:03:15

.The title Duke of York normally goes to 2nd born royal son. The Queen was bon Princess of York.

McKayz Thu 07-Jun-12 18:03:19

I live in North Yorkshire and the Duchy of Lancaster owns loads of land here. Not really all that close to Lancaster.

I wonder why its the Duchy of Lancaster but not near Lancaster.

Is the Marquis of Bath somehow related to the Royal Family?

nagynolonger Thu 07-Jun-12 18:05:15

Born even. I'm not sure if there will ever be another Duke of Windsor.

I'm sure the non royal ones die out if the male line dies out.

HRHOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 07-Jun-12 18:05:36

We have moved this to our Royal Family topic
I don't want to give up my Jubilee name though.
(reckon I can string it out till the Olympics?!)

BeardofZeus Thu 07-Jun-12 18:05:44

I got the OPs sense of sarcasm in the post that pointed towards a dislike of the monarchy. And I am not ignorant of our sovereign practices - but tend towards the agreement of what is the bloody point of all the bloody titles if they all go to the same bloody people? Luckily after the Jubilee weekend, us who don't give a poop about the monarchy can ponder in peace.

Northernlurker Thu 07-Jun-12 18:08:34

I think the Duke of Windsor title is so loaded it won't ever be reused. If you want to look for some obscure ones you need to look back at the families of Victoria and George III. Dukedoms of Albany, Cumberland, Connaught and Clarence there.

nagynolonger Thu 07-Jun-12 18:17:48

The Queen (or King) give their DC these titles. Often they are given when they marry. I'm sure that's when Prince Andrew became Duke of York and Fergie became a Dutchess. The Queen Mother was still Dowager (sp?) Dutchess of York.

Abzs Thu 07-Jun-12 18:46:57

Certain titles are in the gift of the monarch and don't pass to the children. e.g. the Strathearn title given to William and Catherine.

Also he needs a Scottish title to be called by up here. Charles and Camilla are the Rothesays north of the border.

The monarch is the Duke of Lancaster, regardless of gender. Duchy land

TheMonster Thu 07-Jun-12 18:48:06

I read the title as Countess of Streatham. grin

GitAwfMayLend Thu 07-Jun-12 18:49:44

I agree with northern - it is an old old tradition and not supposed to make sense. Lots of titles are restricted to royalty for instance, you would have a good job finding random people from Kent, York and Gloucester to fill those titles at will.

Apparently the Duke of Devonshire (nowt to do with Devon, he lives in Derbyshire) was names because of a spelling mistake in an ancient document.

PuffPants Thu 07-Jun-12 18:54:04

What/where is Strathearn anyway? How come they get their very own Earl? Never heard of the place till Kate and Wills bagged it, sure it is lovely, of course.

Anyone else watch Kate over the weekend and think "blimey, she did well for herself"?

McKayz Thu 07-Jun-12 19:01:44

Thanks Abzs. A few people have said that the Queen owns the woods and castle here but signs around and the English Heritage signs say Duchy of Lancaster. Now it makes sense.

Abzs Thu 07-Jun-12 19:26:29


V pretty part of Perthshire. Excellent hill race at Comrie in September.

Ponders Thu 07-Jun-12 20:47:18

OP, are you planning a new Peasants' Revolt demanding that titles only be given to those who come from the right place? wink

GitAwfMayLend Thu 07-Jun-12 21:40:55

If so please can I bag the title Countess of Ilfracombe?

TheMonster Fri 08-Jun-12 10:48:36

I think my sister has her eye on that one, Git smile

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