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Any tips please for an invading tom, cat wee and a nervous cat?

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foxache Tue 26-Mar-13 13:19:31

Our cat is neutered, our lodger from next door is not, both are male and get on well. Recently, a large tom has been getting in through the flap or hanging around and our own cat is really stressed. He spends all day asleep when it's safe, but all night on jittery alert, watching the door.

Our cat lodger is spraying liberally all over the place in defence - I've just been cheerfully informed that the place stinks sad - I can't smell it anymore. The other thread has great tips with the bio washing powder and lemon thanks and I will now try. I couldn't understand why bleach wasn't working, but now know.

It's everywhere, piles of clothes, sofa etc. Will I just have to keep on scrubbing daily? Is there a non cruel way of deterring the invader, or is spraying with water cruel?

steppemum Wed 27-Mar-13 22:13:44

does your door have a little thing on it so you can lock a cat in or out? I wonder if it would be worth locking the door at night so your cat is locked in, and he is locked out? An adult cat should be fine over night without a litter tray. (mine would come and yowl if he couldn't get out and needed to go - he did this when it snowed for the first time this winter, he wouldn't go out through the cat flap, and woke me up yowling in a way I had never heard, I kicked him out but he just came back in and then shit on the floor sad because he wouldn't go in the snow!!)

Anyway point being, snow aside, he would come and yowl if he needed to go out, so I know I could lock the door over night and he would usually sleep all night indoors and if necessary would come and yowl to go out.

That would keep him out and then he might get less used to coming in to you?

cozietoesie Wed 27-Mar-13 10:26:04

I'd try and find some way of affording it if you can find a way foxache . (Even if the cc is still hurting after the festive season.) It sounds as if you all are just as tense as can be with the situation.

foxache Wed 27-Mar-13 10:20:38

Steppemum, its really hard isn't it, knowing they're locked out themselves but not wanting them in, especially if the cat is hostile. You did well to keep him out and I'm glad you had a resolution. I can't wait to get my own flap now.

The tom was in again in the middle of the night, I asked him to leave and he went blush. Then I had to push him away from the door, our cat was really upset. I was too befuddled to find the spray, it's going by the door from now on.

Cozie, thank you, it also good to hear the spraying may eventually stop. It's been interesting to hear others' experiences with this situation - thank you for all the replies.

steppemum Tue 26-Mar-13 22:33:16

foxache - if our intruder had been a nice friendly cat, he might just have been allowed to move in (I am a softy, dh doesn't want 2 cats, but if he sort of came and stayed...)

Unfortunately he was horrible, I have had my hands shredded by him the day I found him asleep on my bed angry

I felt sorry for him, because he is shut out all day with no access to his food or bed sad but they need to sort out their arrangements, rather than let their cat move in to my house.

cozietoesie Tue 26-Mar-13 19:28:57

Well it would make it less likely for him to spray including if the bully tom was shut out and they had a safe place. Sadly, it's not an absolute guarantee. Even Seniorboy made his displeasure at The Lodger (mine) known although the result was a bit less noxious because he's been neutered for over 17 years.

Best of luck, foxache .

thecatneuterer Tue 26-Mar-13 19:09:02

If I were you I'd get your lodger cat neutered as well. Ask the owner if they'll pay and, if not, do it anyway. You should be able to get vouchers from the Blue Cross to cover the cost if you can't afford it. It would be much better for the cat and would stop him spraying.

foxache Tue 26-Mar-13 17:51:37

Another xpost MissFoodie, I'm glad sureflap is recommended then, I usually go for the cheapest and have to replace.

foxache Tue 26-Mar-13 17:49:47

Misty spray does sound a bit feeble come to think of it... I'm such a pathetic softie, but have to stand up for my cat. Steppemum, your invader sounds like our lodger, flea-ridden and smelly (but lovely temperament). I can't believe how resilient yours was.

No, he's not a rescue cat and has a relative living (alone) in another house. I've decided to save for a Sureflap and either let next door in, or negotiate chipping him with his owner. From this thread I've gone from dabbing with bleach, to all action grin Thanks!

If the tom goes away, will the lodger stop spraying do you think, or is it now a habit? I wish I knew he had a good home for sure, so wouldn't feel so bad at putting him into the freezing night.

MissFoodie Tue 26-Mar-13 17:32:58

I had same problem, water did not work, only solution was a microchip cat flap, sureflap is great, the petporte did not work, intruder still managed to break in!

HazeltheMcWitch Tue 26-Mar-13 15:27:37

Don't do misty-spray, OP, Set it to jet.
It honestly wont hurt him, unless you use a super-soaker at close range. WHich you wont.

steppemum Tue 26-Mar-13 14:43:16

by the way we tried everything before we micro-chipped. We kept a bucket of water outside the back door and everytime we caught him in the house, we dropped him into the bucket. He hated it.
(not nice, but he wasn't hurt, and I really wanted him to go away)
we have water gunned him, held him under the kitchen tap, my kids have chased him down the garden, banged on windows and scared him off. The long and the short of it, was it was worth the risk for him to keep coming in, especially when we were out, and on holiday

steppemum Tue 26-Mar-13 14:39:27

we have recently installed a microchipped flap. it was the best £100 I have spent in a long time. My mum has just put one in as well - and she has 2 cats.

We had real trouble with neighbours cat. neighbours go out early and come home late and their cat has no cat flap, so he was hungry and cold and lived in our house. Trouble was he was also flea ridden (and my duaghter seems to be a real target for flea bites) anti-social, wee-ed on our carpet and then he started spraying. I just could not work our why our house stank all the time, till one day I saw the spray mark on the wall and the penny dropped.

Our cat is huge, and great big fluffy hunter, he can catch anything on 4 legs, but he would not stand up to this neighbours cat.

Now peace reigns. I reckon in a year we will have repaid ourselves the cost in flea powder, food and cleaning sprays.

£26 for micro chip and £74 for the door. My dh installed it.

cozietoesie Tue 26-Mar-13 14:28:25

Don't rescues normally neuter as well though Samvet? I'm not sure he sounds like a rescue cat.

Samvet Tue 26-Mar-13 14:24:20

Worth asking, he may be chipped as rescue centres often do this prior to re homing. Worth asking as the at flap just totally sorts the issue. Or get the flap and let the lodger in the door? He would be able to get out fine.

foxache Tue 26-Mar-13 14:21:03

Sorry x-posted cozie. She does love him, but is an 'outdoor animal' kind of person, he gets soft furnishings here grin We've had a few discussions, all amicable, and he's definitely hers, but yes she is very laid back. Our cat really likes him, i think.

foxache Tue 26-Mar-13 14:16:05

Cozie thanks, I've just looked up the cost of chipping him and it's £100s less than I'd imagined! It took me ages to work up to asking to flea drop him, I wouldn't now worry about asking for this, she can only say no I guess. The lodger isn't my favourite cat at the moment.

The flap itself will have to wait (Sureflap looks great) so I'll try with the lemon and spray before that.

cozietoesie Tue 26-Mar-13 14:10:51

PS - re the politics. Sounds as if he's pretty well your cat anyway - but at any rate has a pretty laissez faire owner to say the least. I'd just mention it and say that this is the best way to keep him happy and using your house. I doubt you'll get objections.

cozietoesie Tue 26-Mar-13 14:08:59

Microchip flaps are more expensive but well worth it. Several posters here have reported recently on potential invaders being stopped at the drawbridge summarily!

I should imagine that your lodger's owner would have no objection to having him chipped if you wanted to go that route? (It's an 'invasive' procedure but not one that's so discussion provoking as neutering and is very quick. Although you could always mention neutering in passing, I suppose. It wouldn't necessarily stop him spraying but it would likely be better all round.)

foxache Tue 26-Mar-13 14:05:35

That's good to know about the micro chip Samvet, I'd thought it was much more complicated. (now to the politics of asking to chip someone else's cat...)

foxache Tue 26-Mar-13 14:03:00

Thank you for all your replies, they're great thanks I'm just back from scrubbing all hard surfaces and the sofa with lemontea/ bio wash solution, am going to sprinkle the sofa with the powder now, thanks Hazel - luckily ds is away.

I really doubt the lodger is microchipped (I even do his flea drops) but will look into the cost of that flap, this isn't our first invader. Sadly collars don't work for them. I don't think the tom is a stray, he looks in good condition and well fed, he'd look for extra food anyway wouldn't he? I have a mist spray and will see about being brave enough to try confused, but am glad it's seen to be ok!

I'd wondered about pecking order too, it's interesting - our cat is massive, but a nervous wreck.

Thank you all for the prompt replies.

cozietoesie Tue 26-Mar-13 13:55:14

Ah, thanks Samvet. Problem solved indeed - as long as the lodger has a chip. (If they haven't neutered him, I have my doubts, chipping being so inexpensive.)

Samvet Tue 26-Mar-13 13:52:42

With the microchip flaps you don't need to know the cats microchip number you just push them through and it detects chip and logs as 'permitted' cats. Problem solved!

stinkyfluffycat Tue 26-Mar-13 13:50:45

32! You'd have to be a proper mad cat lady to want 32 of the things coming in and out!

bubbles1231 Tue 26-Mar-13 13:44:33

Contact the RSPCA (SSPCA if in Scotland) or the CPL. They may be able to put a trap in place and take him away for neutering.
We had this problem last year. Keep the kitchen door shut at night so the other cat can't acces the rest of the house- your own cat's bed may have to go in the kitchen for a while. You could set the catflap to "out only" until the intruder gets fed up trying to get in.

cozietoesie Tue 26-Mar-13 13:39:09

Well you can add up to 32 (!) numbers in the Sureflap memory, stinky so I'm assuming that they can be any numbers you have and presumably the Op could get the number from the neighbour. Of course, that rather assumes that the lodger cat is chipped and if he's not been neutered there's a big question mark there.

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