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AbraLABdabra Sun 17-May-20 14:41:35

Anyone else find Glendream’s Instagram page, the weirdest thing ever??
The owner drums up an extreme amount of attention, convincing people that he is the best, dangling the hope of a “perfect puppy” in front of buyers, actively encouraging people to beg and “keep refreshing” his page and get in touch with him... but he never announces ANY availability for pups on his website and as far as I can tell from the comments... rarely replies to people who get in touch directly. He works everyone up to a frenzy where they think there is an imminent announcement of puppy availability, then complains that he is being contacted too much. Bizarre.
Not to mention that on his page, one of his dogs who was supposed to retire “surprised” him by being pregnant.... WHAT?! How was this a surprise?? and then the poor thing lost ALL her pups.
Then announces this week that two more from another litter have died.
And that’s just the ones he tells people about.
It’s so odd! Very unethical! Suspiciously the retired dogs only seem to go to his friends too. Seems a cover up for breeding the dog to much.

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tabulahrasa Sun 17-May-20 16:29:00

I don’t follow them, but I’ve looked at their website before... looked like a puppy farm...

vanillandhoney Sun 17-May-20 16:48:19

Glendreams are a puppy farm aren't they?

SlothMama Mon 18-May-20 11:22:51

Instagram is now private looks like a puppy farm to me, minimal health testing on the studs and no mention of testing the bitches. And they are breeding doodles and other cross breeds, clearly treating their animals as money making machines.

Bojohair Mon 18-May-20 11:29:44

Yes it is a puppy farm.

AbraLABdabra Mon 18-May-20 12:01:08

How can these places be so blatant and obvious?? The buyers are clambering over one another for a pup. How would you get people to realise that this is a puppy farm dressed up as a ethical breeder farm?

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fivedogstofeed Mon 18-May-20 12:05:30

People just want their puppy. They want a certain breed and they want it this weekend. Sadly many do not question at all, and this is how puppy farmers thrive.

vanillandhoney Mon 18-May-20 12:07:12

Sadly lots of people don't care - they want a puppy and they want it now. Like it's a handbag or a new pair of shoes.

fivedogstofeed Mon 18-May-20 12:08:26

And for every poster that comes on here saying " that's an obvious puppy farm" there'll be another that says " I got my puppy from here and he's lovely".

midnightstar66 Mon 18-May-20 12:14:13

Doesn't even spins like a very successful puppy farm if he never has any pups available and to advertise they are all dying - very odd indeed!

TeacherofMany Tue 30-Jun-20 15:00:56

Can you help me to understand the difference between ethical breeders and puppy farms please?

fivedogstofeed Tue 30-Jun-20 15:06:33

An ethical breeder has a long term interest in the breed, will breed for temperament and health, carry out health screening for genetic conditions known in the breed and will provide lifetime support for the puppies they produce.

Puppy farmers will do anything for money regardless of the health and welfare of the animals. They are facilitated in this by people who want their puppy now and don't care where it came from.

PalTheGent Tue 30-Jun-20 15:56:10

AbraLABdabra

How can these places be so blatant and obvious?? The buyers are clambering over one another for a pup. How would you get people to realise that this is a puppy farm dressed up as a ethical breeder farm?

The buyers don't care. It's the only conclusion I have finally come to: wilful ignorance.

When it's this obvious, any buyers are not bothering to do even the most basic of research. I am not convinced it's a dog they actually want. More a toy.

HeyChief Tue 30-Jun-20 17:06:14

I’m getting a puppy soon. I have to admit I found one quicker than I thought (months not weeks though!) and I did lots of checks/cross referencing/trawling through the internet to check out the breeder and their past.
Whilst in the early stages of considering a dog I spoke to lots of owners at the park. One man I spoke to was telling he got his (poodle cross breed) via a localish pet shop. He also told me the pup at 6 weeks. He seemed to have no idea whatsoever About Lucy’s law or that the dog was 99% likely puppy farmed. Either that or he genuinely didn’t care.

HeyChief Tue 30-Jun-20 17:07:47

Sorry he also told me he brought the pup home at 6 weeks...

Pelleas Tue 30-Jun-20 17:25:07

fivedogstofeed

An ethical breeder has a long term interest in the breed, will breed for temperament and health, carry out health screening for genetic conditions known in the breed and will provide lifetime support for the puppies they produce.

Puppy farmers will do anything for money regardless of the health and welfare of the animals. They are facilitated in this by people who want their puppy now and don't care where it came from.

I would add to this excellent summary that if you're looking to tell the difference:

- a puppy farm will often advertise multiple different breeds (including the popular crossbreeds) for sale.

- An ethical breeder is unlikely to breed more than one or two types of dog.

- A puppy farm offers dogs more or less on tap

- An ethical breeder is likely to have a waiting list and you would expect to visit at least once before taking a dog home

- A puppy farm won't be interested in the lifestyle you can offer a dog

- An ethical breeder will question you carefully to make sure you can meet the dog's needs

- A puppy farm will wash its hands of the dog once it's sold

- An ethical breeder will ask that if you cannot keep the dog for any reason, it is returned to the breeder

Ylvamoon Tue 30-Jun-20 17:31:22

My firstimpression: they don't have any pictures of the girls, just the boys & they look a bit scruffy. Dogs are not named with their KC name, you can't even look the dogs up and see their health tests.
Lots of cute puppy pictures - not what you expect from a reputable breeder.

fivedogstofeed Tue 30-Jun-20 17:46:28

What Pelleas said smile

TeacherofMany Thu 02-Jul-20 15:54:40

I find this very interesting given my own experience with this breeder. I recently purchased a Cavapoo puppy and also re-homed a retired Cavalier King Charles Spaniel - a point I will re-visit towards the end of this post. What surprises me most is that people have made very strong statements that this IS a puppy farm, however my experience would actually serve to back up the points you have made are actually happening at Glendream.

Firstly, After asking and researching I found that the parents of the puppy I purchased were fully health tested. I found in my research that you cannot health screen puppies at their young age but instead screen their parents for genetic traits, as this is the best indicator of breeding healthy offspring.

Secondly, I found that this breeder mainly breeds a set selection of dogs - Cockapoos, Cavapoos and limited numbers of cocker spaniels and cavaliers along with very reputable and well known fox red Labrador retrievers. Having taken the time to speak one to one with the breeder before purchasing and rejoining any dogs I found that he was a very early pioneer of the “doodle” breeds but also had a long history with labradors through his experience with working dogs, field trials and sheepdog training.

I took it upon myself to investigate why these “doodle” breeds were to so popular and prevalent and found it quite interesting. Mainly, these are bred for their coat which has the benefit of being hypoallergenic. In actual fact, when a Cockapoo for example is bred back to a poodle it will shed neither coat nor dander, guaranteeing hypoallergenic pets.

As a primary school Teacher myself I also found my very basic knowledge of high school taught genetics was useful in my research. Essentially when breeding two dogs of different breeds what is most likely to happen is that the more dominant genes will be prevalent in their offspring. Coat type, for example, when breeding to poodles is the most common. It also means that health issues associated with a pure breed are much less likely to be carried forward to their young. Essentially, by cross breeding in this way you get much healthier puppies who are less at risk of carrying their pure-line genetic health issues. I found that a vast majority of people didn’t understand this when condoning cross-breed dogs.

Next, I found that when I was looking to purchase a puppy I was asked many questions about my home set up, plans for caring for a puppy and also, most notably, how busy and active my lifestyle was. I was told this was to ensure the puppies were only going to safe and caring homes but also so puppies could be matched to future homes based on their temperament. With two slightly older children and a less active lifestyle I was very accurately advised that a more laid back puppy would be best and one of the litter, based on socialisation experience from the breeder, would be ideal for me. I’m happy to let you know that was spot on and has worked very well in our home set up.

I was able to visit and meet this beautiful puppy, and her mother, at 6 weeks. I was told that if for any reason I didn’t want to go ahead with the purchase I could have my deposit returned or put against a future litter. I decided to go ahead and at 8 weeks and 3 days I collected my puppy. When I did I was given two documents, a puppy care information sheet and a contract of sale. Having read the contract I was Confident that it protected both myself and the breeder. It asked that following taking our puppy home we arrange a health check at our own vet as soon as possible. If any health concerns were raised - which thankfully there weren’t - I could return the puppy immediately with no further issue, and my money returned.

Regarding the returned mother which I re-homed, she unfortunately had an accident shortly after arriving with us where she broke a bone in her leg and was taken to our local vets. We didn’t have insurance arranged yet and faces a bill of many hundreds of pounds for the surgery required. Disappointingly the vets advice would be that given the dogs age of 6, the cost of surgery and my lack of insurance, many would look to have the dog put to sleep. I was distraught anD felt very guilty so contact the breeder to ask for advice. He agreed that this beautiful girl still had many years of happiness ahead of her and arranged for his own vet to carry out the surgery, and he footed the bill personally to allow, “a very loyal and loving dog as many happy years ahead of her as possible.” This experience really cemented for me that I had made a good choice in where I purchased my puppy from.

I feel very lucky now to have asked the question - as I did have some doubts in my mind - as your points raised have actually confirmed that I did not purchase from a puppy farm and instead a breeder I would be happy to return to in future.

CockCarousel Thu 02-Jul-20 16:09:34

That's quite a 5* review for the puppy farm TeacherofMany hmm

TeacherofMany Thu 02-Jul-20 16:33:01

I would call it a review, more a recount of my experience. As I’ve said, it’s been reaffirming for me to go through in my head.

Can I ask what your experience was?

TeacherofMany Thu 02-Jul-20 16:33:42

Apologies, “wouldn’t”*

tabulahrasa Thu 02-Jul-20 20:19:44

“In actual fact, when a Cockapoo for example is bred back to a poodle it will shed neither coat nor dander, guaranteeing hypoallergenic pets.”

Of course they still have dander, it’s skin..... and they also have saliva, which is why there’s no such thing as a hypoallergenic dog.

Also, if they’re breeding 2 different crosses and 3 different breeds there’s no way they’re anything other than a puppy farm... that many dogs has to be a large scale operation.

fivedogstofeed Thu 02-Jul-20 21:24:56

@TeacherofMany I'd be interested to know what your definition of a puppy farm is?

Shinesweetfreedom Thu 02-Jul-20 21:31:31

Teacherofmany
Ah see this is your only post.
How are you connected to this puppy farm.

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