Unwanted refills for spray collar

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Selford Fri 06-Dec-19 18:16:50

Does anyone know where I can get rid of two aerosol refills for a dog training spray collar (they're the odourless version)? I've tried my local reuse/recycling site, plus nextdoor.co.uk and no interest; I don't think anyone would buy them on ebay as one has been used a tiny bit, but it seems wasteful to just bin them.
And in case anyone is considering a collar, the collar was great and helped a lot but wasn't waterproof and broke!

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AvocadosBeforeMortgages Sat 07-Dec-19 15:04:02

I wouldn't advocate that anyone uses aversive training methods (which is what all spray collars are), so I wouldn't want to pass it on to anyone. If you can't find a way of recycling them locally, I'd bin them.

I try to live a low waste lifestyle as much as possible, but when my own rescue terrier came with a vibrating anti-bark collar, I had no hesitation in binning it immediately.

LeahDownTheLane Sat 07-Dec-19 16:03:50

Put them in the bin where they belong.

BiteyShark Sat 07-Dec-19 16:15:19

I agree I would just bin them.

SutterCane Sat 07-Dec-19 16:42:54

Either bin or see if you have anyone local who is a member of Project Trade.

pigsDOfly Sun 08-Dec-19 13:13:56

Agree with pps they need to go in the bin.

Nobody should be using this sort of thing on a dog. Hopefully one day all these aversive collar will be banned.

OrangeTwirl Sun 08-Dec-19 13:17:59

I agree with pp's. Any aversive dog training method belongs in the bin.

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Selford Mon 09-Dec-19 18:20:15

Sorry, my alerts are obviously off, hadn't realised anyone had replied. Thanks for the Project Trade link.

And aversive training has its place when the behaviour is likely to cause death or accident to both the dog and humans.

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Wolfiefan Mon 09-Dec-19 18:22:16

I can’t imagine any situation where I would use a collar like that. Horrid things.

pigsDOfly Mon 09-Dec-19 18:52:16

The problem with aversive methods, apart from causing the dog extreme stress, is that they don't actually work.

They might stop the dog in its track at the moment of use but will never have any impact on the root cause of the dog's issues.

The most likely result is that eventually you have a dog that is so afraid and stressed that the poor creature will effectively shut down.

I suppose there is always the possibility that some dogs will become inured to whatever shock system is being used and just ignore it, in which case where do you go from there?

Just keep upping the level of stock or incidences of administration, I suppose, until eventually the dog does shut down?

Bibbidybobbitysplated Mon 09-Dec-19 18:58:54

Which collar is it for? We HAD to use a spray collar (the water kind) as ddog was making himself seriously ill eating things he shouldnt on walks, even on a lead. He was on the verge of death so it was the lesser of two evils.

Alittleprivacyplease Mon 09-Dec-19 19:03:40

Bibbidy a basket muzzle would have worked just as well and is what we recommend in the veterinary industry for scavengers, no one HAS to use spray collars. Agree with others, bin them.

Bibbidybobbitysplated Mon 09-Dec-19 19:07:58

I asked the vet about the collar and they were supportive, we are talking a fair few years ago now. We discussed muzzles but then as soon as the muzzle was off he'd have been back at it. Its been years now since he's worn the collar and he is perfect on walks

I admit advice may have changed but I'm OK with saving ddogs life

Wolfiefan Mon 09-Dec-19 22:28:18

Better to use safe and kind methods and not to distress a dog. sad

pigsDOfly Tue 10-Dec-19 10:30:00

I used to know a man whose little dog would eat stuff out on a walk and make himself very ill.

A muzzle on for every walk completely solved the problem. Little dog could sniff and snuffle without the threat that every time he opened his mouth he had a nasty experience.

Much kinder.

If a dog is so troubled that it's likely to cause death or accident to itself or humans then it needs to be on a lead with a muzzle on when out and some serious training.

I can't imagine causing it distress and anxiety by shocking it every time it displays the unacceptable behaviour is going to cure anything.

Stellaris22 Tue 10-Dec-19 11:44:55

OP is asking for advice on how to correctly dispose of something, not lectures on training her dog.

pigsDOfly Tue 10-Dec-19 11:58:19

Yes, they should be put in the bin.

Sorry, I was unaware that commenting rules had been imposed on this thread.

OrangeTwirl Tue 10-Dec-19 14:20:15

And aversive training has its place when the behaviour is likely to cause death or accident to both the dog and humans

What behaviours likely to cause death or accident to dog and humans can be effectively dealt with using aversive methods rather than effective training? I'm interested...

Selford Tue 10-Dec-19 21:13:07

To stop a dog with a strong chase instinct in full flight. I know the attached clip is funny, but when it's your dog, it's less so, and it could easily have caused a serious accident. (BTW, that wasn't my dog but it could have been) www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GRSbr0EYYU

And I know people will say that this can be avoided with proper training; believe me we tried everything (classes, endless practice, trainer) and the collar was the only thing which worked. It was either that or never be off the lead which she'd have hated.

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Wolfiefan Tue 10-Dec-19 22:11:24

Nope. Better solutions. Longline. Secure spaces. Etc.

OrangeTwirl Wed 11-Dec-19 00:48:31

Selford. So you hadn't taught your dog to recall... but think a collar can? Sorry. You are talking 💩 a good recall is the most beneficial thing any dog owner can train their dog. You, obviously failed.

I tell you what....get a collar, put it around your neck and have it spray a vile substance in your face whenever you speak. That may give you an idea of what its like for a dog to be subjected to aversive training techniques.

If you are not able to adequately train your dog please let it be rehomed by someone who can. Via a breed rescue of course.

Bibbidybobbitysplated Wed 11-Dec-19 19:49:38

We used our water spray collar on ourselves first to check it wasnt too horrid an experience....we felt happy it was only a bit of water in the face but did have the desired effect of being a surprise

But like i said i know things have changed now

pigsDOfly Thu 12-Dec-19 12:45:39

No doubt when you tried it on yourselves you knew what was coming and why it was happening.

Poor dog doesn't have that information, will not be expecting it and will not understand why it is happening so the dog's experience of it will be completely different from yours.

peoplepleaser1 Thu 12-Dec-19 17:10:47

A long line and proper recall training would have been a more appropriate course of action. Or, if your dog has no recall and training fails, keep them on lead.

Every single dog training community from guide dogs to the army has stopped using adversive methods because they are both cruel and ineffective.

Some trainers using outdated methods may support adversives, this is because sadly there is no regulation in the industry and people do continue with old ineffective practises.

Selford Sat 14-Dec-19 08:42:37

@OrangeTwirl of course we tried it on ourselves first - it sprays air! As @Bibbidybobbitysplated says, it provides a shock which reminds the dog of their training, rather than responding to their instinct.

Her recall was absolutely fine, unless there were deer or foxes around, and she knew where they were before we did as obviously she could smell them. There are no enclosed areas here to walk a dog, and in our opinion she would have been more miserable never being let off the lead. I know of two different dogs of the same breed who disappeared in pursuit and never came home. Whether they got stuck in a fox hole, killed in a fight or run over, the owners will never know.

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