KC Registration query

[GeorgesMummy1]

I have tried to find some info online but no luck?....

Can someone advise? We have had our beautiful puppy for nearly four months now, she is coming up to being spayed and am considering (VERY SLIGHTLY MAYBE) to breed from her as she is wonderful... however I have just tried to get the KC registration she was paid for with and it is a certificate from the 'Pedigree Club'? I have tried to register her with them but the website is not letting me, have also tried to email but no response as of yet and no contact telephone number?

Anyone with any experience?

TIA

[DogInATent]

The Pedigree Club is not the Kennel Club.
www.thekennelclub.org.uk/registration/

[Whitney168]

Factually, rather than adding any emotion about how such registrations are marketed - a registration certificate for a UK dog from any organisation bar the Kennel Club linked above is of zero worth.

[pigsDOfly]

The pedigree club is just a registration of dogs it has no official recognition for breeding as far as I could tell from a quick google, and kennel club documents can be forged: puppy farms hand out forged KC registration documents all the time.

I understood that most reputable breeders who are selling dogs as pets will stipulate that the dog you're buying must not be used for breeding.

Unless your bitch is a prime example of her breed and is of breedable quality please just get her spayed.

[fivedogstofeed]

It sounds very much like you've been conned unfortunately.
Please don't breed from her.

[DogInATent]

I was thinking the same @Whitney168 but hoping that as the OP can't register with the PC with their details that they have got actual KC papers from the breeder.

The PC looks like an opportunity for breeders to potentially mislead purchasers.

[Whitney168]

Whatever the OP has, she certainly doesn't want to waste any money paying to register or transfer with The Pedigree Club - it has no more meaning than her making something up and printing it at home herself, without charge.

[missbattenburg]

A six month old (?) dog is no where near nature enough to know if she would be good for breeding. She could still develop traits and health problems that would suggest not. Seriously, you should wait until she is much older before considering it.

A "wonderful" pet dog is not necessarily a good breeding dog. There is much more to it than that - health and dna tests, understanding genetics generally and finding a mate that would complement her genetics, type, temperament etc.

Most pet bitches should be sold with an endorsement on their registration, dictating that any offspring from her cannot be KC registered without the (her) breeder's approval to lift the endorsement.

Having a litter is a 24/7 job for at least four weeks. You would need to have the time to dedicate to sleeping, eating, watching mum and pups round the clock for that length of time, at least.

A responsible breeder will offer lifetime support and insist any puppies are sent back to them if the new owner's circumstances change. That means risking having multiple dogs returned at any point in the next 10-15 years, maybe not trained to a standard you would like. You would be responsible for them. It would also mean being prepared t take questions on health, behaviour, training from the new owners and being informed enough to help.

If you do it right, there is no profit.

[missbattenburg]

Final point - a certificate from the 'Pedigree Club' would suggest your dog's breeder was not up to scratch, either. This would further suggest you won't have available the proper details of her lineage which is both important to understand her breeding potential and likely to be a deal breaker for any responsible new owner.

I realise that all sounds very negative. I am really happy you have a lovely, healthy and happy pet and I hope you have many, many happy years with her. I just don't think being a lovely pet is a good qualification for breeding. Just my 2 cents.

[tabulahrasa]

If you weren’t given her KC registration when you bought her, she’s not KC registered.

The pedigree club is completely meaningless, it’s just paying money for paperwork that doesn’t say anything useful.

[missbattenburg]

I'll just leave this here, too...

"Dystocia is the veterinary term used to describe any difficulties in giving birth. Dystocia can lead to suffering during attempts at giving birth and frequently requires veterinary intervention. 92% of Boston terrier pregnancies end in delivery through caesarean section. Many of these caesareans are due to dystocia but some are probably performed electively to prevent dystocia or breathing problems for the bitch during parturition. Birth problems are common in Boston terriers due to a combination of bitches often having an abnormally-shaped pelvis and the puppies having relatively large heads due to brachycephaly (abnormal head shape)."

[notapizzaeater]

Go back to the breeder and ask for the correct paperwork

[cowfacemonkey]

Agree with missbattenburg about not being too confident about the nature of your dog this early on. My pup developed lead reactive behaviours at 9 months and a few other less adorable traits that we have had to work bloody hard on with training.

[adaline]

Please don't breed from your dog. You're not a professional and the last thing the world needs is more puppies from backyard breeders who don't really know what they're doing, selling their puppies to people who haven't thought it through (else they'd not be buying from someone who was breeding for fun).

And the Pedigree Club has no meaning. It probably means your dog came from a puppy farm or a backyard breeder who gave you false papers to con you into thinking you were buying from a reputable source.

[Eifla]

Being wonderful is not a reason to breed her. All of our dogs are wonderful.

If she is KC registered, you would have been given the change of ownership form when you purchased her, which you then send away to have her transferred into your name and receive your registration certificate (and five generation pedigree certificate should you wish to purchase that too).

A pedigree dog not being KC registered is a huge red flag. Especially if she was advertised as being so.

[nancybelle]

6 months is too young to spay and way too young to breed. Unless you have had all health tests done for the breed (and some, like hip scoring, aren’t done until 1 year) please don’t even consider breeding.

[spot102]

Mmm thats interesting. My 'worst' dog has came from a KC pedigree breeder and my best from a backyard 'breeder'
Think we really need people that actually care about what they are doing, after all a 'puppy farmer' could be described as 'professional'
I'd happily buy from someone that cared enough to put thought, time and effort in regardless of whether they were KC or just breeding the family pets.
However, I would expect a bitch to be fully adult (2-3 years) so her temperament is fully formed and can be judged, and health status good, similarly the stud dog.

[Wolfiefan]

You don’t have a KC registration?
You can’t breed a puppy.
Decent breeders put endorsements to stop you breeding. You don’t breed because your dog is “lovely”. What health tests have you had done? Have you examined her pedigree?

[Doggydoggydoggy]

Never heard of the pedigree club.

Does the pedigree club registration papers list her pedigree?
As in her parents, grandparents, great grand parents etc?

Or is it a meaningless club like ‘dog lovers’ registration with no information on her bloodline?

I am quite against the Kennel club for a number of reasons and don’t consider it an indication of a good breeder.

That said, I think any breeding pedigree dog should be registered with a breed club or working club eg ISDS (sheepdogs) so the dog’s bloodline is known.

And I agree that 6 months is too young to know if they are good breeding material.
They haven’t grown into their ‘proper’ adult temperament yet for one.

[werideatdawn]

you don't seem to know anything about the appropriate age for breeding or having the correct paperwork for your dog. I'm not sure why you think you are well placed to be a breeder...

[McKenzip]

Hi I have mislaid my k.c papers for my pup I've contacted the k.c and breeder but don't seem to be getter any help is there any way I can get new k.c papers

[Wolfiefan]

@McKenzip you might do better starting your own thread. Why do you need the papers?

[IngGenius]

@McKenzip You can get replacements from the kennel club IF you are the registered owner

replacement KC pedigree