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CoveredInFondant Wed 18-Oct-17 22:29:03

Our family seems to be sorted to
Japanese Chin

I'm concerned about cavapoos as they're a mutt and finding a reputable "breeder" is hard. We'd rather go without than encourage a puppy farm,

We're teeside /northeast region if any one can help

CornflakeHomunculus Thu 19-Oct-17 01:26:06

You're right that it's extremely difficult to find decent breeders of "cavapoos". The CKCS can be affected by some very serious health issues which can't necessarily be avoided just by crossbreeding (especially when those conditions aren't unknown in miniature/toy poodles) and it's extremely rare to find a breeder who actually does all the relevant health testing. It's even rarer to find one who does all the health testing and isn't breeding on a large scale.

There's also the potential with crosses that they're going to favour one or other parent much more than the other so you'd need to be happy with having what could essentially turn out very much like either one of the parents rather than a perfect blend of the two. Poodles, including the smaller ones, can be very active, bright and buzzy little things (there's a reason they're popular as small agility dogs) that need plenty of exercise and mental stimulation to keep happy. That seems quite different to the other two breeds you've mentioned which are much more modest in their exercise requirements.

With pedigrees I'd always recommend starting with the relevant breed club as they can help put you in touch with breeders who are planning litters. On the whole breed clubs require their members to adhere to a code of ethics which is much more stringent than that of the KC, this is particularly important with chihuahuas as they really shouldn't be allowed to go to their new homes before twelve weeks of age and this is included in the British Chihuahua Club code of ethics. Japanese chins aren't terribly common, there are generally only a couple of hundred registrations a year so you may well be in for quite a wait to get a puppy from a decent breeder. As well as the breed clubs you could try looking at the lists of KC Assured Breeders and Champdogs is also a reasonable starting point. With both of these you'll tend to find breeders of a higher calibre than on the various free ad websites but being on either site is not a guarantee that someone is reputable.

I'd also recommend looking into going along to some shows to try and meet as many examples of the breeds you're interested in as possible, as well as talking to breeders and breed enthusiasts.

Whatever breed/cross/type of dog you're looking for, finding a good breeder is always a minefield. There's lots of good information about what to look for in a breeder and how to go about buying a puppy in this thread.

CornflakeHomunculus Thu 19-Oct-17 01:35:04

One more thing...

Both chihuahuas and Japanese chins (particularly the former) can be quite fragile little things and it's very easy for them to be injured, often completely accidentally, by children. Just something to bear in mind if you have children, especially young ones.

Whitney168 Thu 19-Oct-17 08:22:57

Agree with Cornflake. In my (limited, admittedly) experience, Chins can be grumpy little gits too. How old are your children? If you are wanting something to cope with younger children, neither of those two toy breeds would be my choice.

bluebells1 Thu 19-Oct-17 08:35:35

The best Cockapoo breeder that I know of is Lorton Cockapoos. They are excellent and very careful about the breed selection and do all the health checks as well as offering constant support. They have a FB page.

bluebells1 Thu 19-Oct-17 08:36:05

Uhm. Cavapoo confused as well

Whitney168 Thu 19-Oct-17 08:51:34

The best Cockapoo breeder that I know of is Lorton Cockapoos

A very good marketer with a website that gives a good impression, but licensed with no mention of how many bitches, has several studs, breeds all manner of 'designer crossbreeds'. Takes deposits without ever meeting prospective owners, so happy to sell to just anyone who's prepared to pay. Strict appointment system to get people in and out.

Avoid like the veritable plague!!

Whitney168 Thu 19-Oct-17 08:52:05

Sorry, forgot to say, they are are registered company too!

Whitney168 Thu 19-Oct-17 08:52:42

Seriously, when are people going to start seeing these puppy farms for what they are? angry

Whitney168 Thu 19-Oct-17 08:58:57

A bit of a Google suggests they are licensed for just hmm the 24 bitches! Anyone who thinks this is anything short of a puppy farm is absolutely deluded, no matter how nice their website and how good the external impression.

Whitney168 Thu 19-Oct-17 09:13:32

This is a photo of their true breeding facilities (which they were applying to expand) - not quite so 'fluffy' as their website, is it?

4.1 The Applicant is an established small dog breeder, producing specialist breeds such as Cockapoo’s, Cavapoo’s and Schnoodle’s.
4.2 The business has recently relocated and is now run exclusively from Jacksons Farm, Hunters Lane, Tarleton, Preston, as shown on the Location Plan attached at Appendix 1.
4.3 The Applicant currently has 23 breeding bitches and 5 stud dogs, producing approximately 140 puppies per year.
4.4 The dogs bread [sic] include; Cocker Spaniels, Miniature Schnauzers, Poodles and Cavalier King Charles Spaniels.
4.5 The Applicant’s dogs are reared in 17 no. specialist kennels measuring 4m² with litters being housed in 10 no. whelping pens designed to protect the puppies during birth. Please see Appendix 2 for photographs.
4.6 The Applicant operates on an appointment only basis with any appointments scheduled only on Saturdays between 12 noon and 5pm, with a maximum of 3 visitors per day.

Sorry bluebells1, I am picking on your recommendation here in particular - but people MUST start taking responsibility for recognising and supporting the evil puppy farm trade.

There is so much information available at the end of a keyboard now - wilfully ignoring it these days is equivalent to saying that you do not care how dogs are kept, how often they are bred, what happens to them at the end of their breeding careers. This is the reality of puppy farming, I'm afraid.

christmashope Thu 19-Oct-17 09:19:16

I have an almost 2 year old cavapoo
No health concerns so far
She’s absolutely fantastic and is great with kids, they have such a lovely nature
Would highly recommend.

bluebells1 Thu 19-Oct-17 11:04:47

Quite possibly true Whitney, but my friends who have bought puppies off them have nothing but good things to say about them. The puppies are of good health, no behaviour issues, met both the stud and the bitch, ongoing support... I really do not know if they have a bad rep otherwise.

Whitney168 Thu 19-Oct-17 11:10:35

Well, met 'a' stud and 'a' bitch, doesn't necessarily mean the right ones. They have plenty to choose from - and again, even if all their puppies lovely, this is not the way to breed dogs and not the life the mothers should be having.

Bubble2bubble Thu 19-Oct-17 11:16:01

So maybe you are prepared to take the risk with health tests.

But you are also aware your puppy's mum spends her entire life in an outdoor shed with minimal human interaction, and will do nothing but produce puppies until she dies. She is not a family pet and these people are lying to you. who the hell keeps 24 dogs in their house

You all got your lovely puppies though...

Wolfiefan Thu 19-Oct-17 11:18:18

Yep avoid that like the plague.
OP have a look for breed groups of the two other breeds you mention. See if you can meet some owners and dogs. Research the worst of each and see if you could deal with those!!

Nancy91 Thu 19-Oct-17 11:18:21

I fully support what Whitney has said above. Well done on researching that puppy farm and exposing it for what it really is. What worries me is that many people do NOT do any research and they only care that they get a cute puppy, not any of the cruelty that goes on behind the scenes. Ignorance is bliss, as they say sad

OP of the breeds stated I would get a Chihuahua as it would likely have the least health issues (they are still prone to a few things). If treated like a dog and not a baby they are brilliant little dogs. Just going to plug that there are many chihuahuas in rescues now that they are no longer as fashionable as the flat faced breeds.

bluebells1 Thu 19-Oct-17 11:24:57

Quite possibly true but too late for my friends. I will definitely pass this info on to them so they don't get a second dog from them.

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