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Greyhorses Sat 19-Mar-16 19:03:05

Does anyone know how good these are in terms of control and stopping pulling?

Do they close the mouth when the dog is pulling or are they fixed?

Obviously it can't be used as a muzzle but would it be safe on a dog prone to lunging?

Ive been looking at them for a while but have been put off by the awful pattern on them hmmgrin

mrslaughan Sat 19-Mar-16 19:10:47

You can have them plain - well they are level.
We have a giant breed and I prefer it to a straight halti, it is fixed , so doesn't close around the mouth. I think it gives you good control .

mrslaughan Sat 19-Mar-16 19:11:22

The plain ones are leather!

cheerfulmary Sat 19-Mar-16 19:44:10

It does close the mouth

paragraph down the page explains it

i would not use it to walk a dog to stop the dog pulling as it will constantly be closing the dogs mouth,preventing panting etc

cheerfulmary Sat 19-Mar-16 19:45:52

The leather ones and new pattern ones will close the mouth and tend not to loosen when the lead is relaxed as the material gets softer they are better but it takes ages for this to happen.

Greyhorses Sat 19-Mar-16 19:47:46

Thanks! I currently use a gentle leader but I find its riding into her eyes when she lunges at other dogs, however she sometimes wears a muzzle which makes things difficult as I can't use both so I'm wondering if the dogmatic will give enough control to go muzzle free confused

She did chew the last one we got when DP helpfully left it lying around so I am a bit wary of spending £35 but if it works it may be worth it!

mrslaughan Sat 19-Mar-16 19:50:29

I use one all the time , and it doesn't in regular walking shut our dogs mouth , he can pant and drink and everything in it..... The only way I can imagine it doing that would be by kind of twisting and lifting it...... I know they say it does it on the website, but it would have to be a very specific manoeuvre...... But I will research further

cheerfulmary Sat 19-Mar-16 19:51:05

I would use it on a reactive dog along with a harness with a double ended lead. So normal walking use the lead attached to harness and then those dodgy reactive dog moments use the headcollar to move the head.

tabulahrasa Sat 19-Mar-16 19:54:20

You can fit a gentle leader under a muzzle - well I have done anyway, though I've swapped to a kumfi dogalter as it found it fitted better with respect to going in his eyes.

I don't see why a dogmatic would give more control than any similarly designed headcollar tbh?

hairypaws Sat 19-Mar-16 19:54:42

I bought one after trying the halti, which was no good. It wasn't a great fit to be honest.

What I have ended up with is the Ancol happy at heel harness which is fantastic. Gave me great control with my lunging dog. It's a harness but lead attaches at side so dogs front legs are pulled in to you when they pull. Difficult to explain but explained on line. I got it reduced on Amazon.

RoseDog Sat 19-Mar-16 19:55:37

gencon-allin1.co.uk/

I use one of these, recommended by my dog trainer, for my strong, pulling, lunging, dog aggressive stuff.

cheerfulmary Sat 19-Mar-16 19:57:10

No just putting pressure on the lead or having a tight lead will shut the dogs mouth.

The loop under the dogs mouth which has the ring attached to it will pull the top of the harness and shut the dogs mouth. Hard to see when next to the dog but very clear if in front of the dog. If you listen carefully you usually hear the dogs breathing change to accommodate the closed mouth

Greyhorses Sat 19-Mar-16 20:03:34

Thanks everyone.

Sorry I have used the gentle leader with the muzzle and threaded it through the bottom but i find it rides into her eyes and causes more hysteria as she can't see?

The trainer has said she must have no pain from any equipment as she is fear aggressive and it can trigger worse reactions so I was looking for something that will not hurt her or ride into her eyes but gives more control than say a standard harness or collar, I need to have the head under complete control as she will nip someone if given half the chance blush

cheerfulmary Sat 19-Mar-16 20:10:23

We all have different ideas but I would not use a gencon on a reactive dog as it is a glorified slip lead so as it tightens is tightens around the neck. This drop in oxygen can make a reactive dog panic more

mrslaughan Sat 19-Mar-16 20:13:46

I wonder if because mines leather it's not as flexible so doesn't close - I will look closely next time I use it.
I know my sister found it didn't fit her Labrador very well.

Greyhorses Sat 19-Mar-16 20:18:33

I must admit I hate the dog pattern on the nylon one and much prefer the leather but I'm not sure if I can justify the cost. I don't want her to look cute and fluffy grin

She has a strange small but long face too so might be hard to fit!

tabulahrasa Sat 19-Mar-16 20:21:16

I found the gentle leader went in his eyes and tightened round his mouth, but the kumfi doesn't...I don't know how much of that is down to face shape though.

I looked at a dogmatic, but I didn't think it'd fit under a muzzle and he redirects to me, so however well I have his head, it'd not be fun for me, also I can't really control other dogs so if they come and bug him...

I do use it with a harness as well though, with a front ring so I have his front end completely.

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