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Mner Mon 22-Feb-16 21:58:21

Our pup arrives in two weeks, and I am trying to plan ahead. He will be 8 weeks. Background: I have bought DPup a crate for night time. He will be used to the crate a little when he arrives. I am trying to make sure any all contact with the cat is supervised (cat is a grumpy arse sometimes). We're going to keep DPup downstairs to give the cat somewhere to escape and set up a stairgate as well to hopefully keep the pup downstairs.

What do people do at night...? Is it best to get up at set intervals or best to leave them through the night from the start? If the former, how do you know when to change when you get up?

And then in the morning... At the moment, we all get up, get showered, then come downstairs for breakfast. Cat also then has his breakfast. Do I get up to take the puppy out first thing, then come back upstairs to have a shower etc leaving the pup downstairs when he has only just seen me again or do everything upstairs leaving the puppy to cross his legs whilst he waits for us to come down?

Guessing the pup will be desperate for his breakfast as well at that point. Will it put the cat's nose out of joint even further to be fed after the pup...? Poor cat is already often last on the list.

Really confused about both these things. It's been a fair while since either of us have had a dog so any advice very much appreciated! Any tips on introducing them would be amazing as well.

bigbutsrus1 Mon 22-Feb-16 22:24:37

No help....but watching with interest as we will be in exactly the same boat in two weeks time!

Mner Mon 22-Feb-16 22:33:56

Good luck to us both!

VocationalGoat Mon 22-Feb-16 22:47:38

Hi Op.
We have the same situation. Our pup is now 12 weeks. We got him at 8 weeks.
The cat is ok-ish with the puppy- stays elevated (on surfaces, shelves, rarely walks on the floor but has walked right by pup a few times now- pup is very cool with the cat). Pup and cat are male. Don't know if that counts for anything.

We have three kids so actually in lieu of a 'cage', we have a puppy bed with blankets and we place him inside our youngest son's former playpen (with a small bowl of water and training liners for when he wees and poos- he no longer poos at night as of 11 weeks). In the morning, I feed the cat in the living room and I feed the pup in the kitchen. I feed the puppy first because I'm up early with him and the kids. I would cage your pup at night for sure. Our pup only cried for the first two nights at home and has slept through from then on. He's a real dream...apart from the mega poos and Lake Baikal sized wees!

But if we don't put him in the pen, he howls. I think he likes the cozy space. I highly recommend a cage at night.

You will have to separate pup and cat and introduce them ever so slowly and gently. I carry the cat around and have them look at each other. I never allow the pup to be in a position to chase the cat. Trust needs to be established. They will never be mates, I think, but I want the cat to at least feel safe around the dog, which he does. He lays around , observing pup from his perch and he shares the same space, apart from when they eat. So the cat definitely feels more at ease a month on. No harm has come to the cat so he's become more relaxed around the canine interloper. I was so worried the cat would leave home but be hasn't. Just show your cat a lot of protection and love. And show your pup lots of love and make him/her feel welcome but at the same time, teach him to observe and respect the cat.

I am by no means a pro and am learning as I go so forgive me if my information is a bit vague. Congratulations! What kind of dog are you getting? smile

Mner Mon 22-Feb-16 22:55:26

Thank you. It's probably a lot of common sense but it helps to see things written down, and hear that it is possible! I'm going to get some feliway plug ins as well.

I'm not expecting they will ever be friends but it's trying to get them to a place of tolerance. (We got our cat as a pair from a rescue and although we were told they absolutely had to be homed together, they hated each other for months and then tolerated each other eventually. Other cat has since died.)

Both cat and dog are male. The pup is a whippet.

VocationalGoat Mon 22-Feb-16 22:58:40

At night, when our pup cried, I came down, changed his training pads, stroked him and sang to him (silly, I know, but it worked).
We cuddle and hug the pup so much before bed and then give him time to be alone a bit before be sleeps in his pen. We keep a little nightlight on in the kitchen for him.
I realised our dog howled when he pood his training liner inside the pen. He'd curl up and fall asleep the moment I changed it. I'd still sing him.a little song though.
It's a bit tiring. He's getting better with having accidents in the house.
But DS1 who is 14 was walking out the door to go to school a couple of weeks ago when he discovered a Mount Vesuvius of a turd on the doormat and promptly threw up his breakfast. The clean-up committee (that would be me, Bozo here) was not impressed. But I couldn't help but giggle! Bad mum, I know. It was grim though.

VocationalGoat Mon 22-Feb-16 23:03:45

Oh whippets are gorgeous! They have a high prey drive I just read, so just be very watchful of the cat. Yours is a pup, so he can learn that a cat is not prey.

Ours is a Vizsla/lab mix so again, there is a hunting instinct that we have to quell with regards to the cat.

VocationalGoat Mon 22-Feb-16 23:16:11

grin Our cat generally lives upstairs for the most part (he always has done but does so much more so of late). He will come down and hang out in the front room, watch the pup go mad and make a fool of himself chasing his tail or anything else that gets thrown in his path. The cat will stay for very long spells and even casually observes the pup as he climbs up to peek over the table to look at the cat. He doesn't flee from the pup at all now. I wonder too if the cat is aware that the pup is a young animal and not as threatening as an adult. It could be my own interpretation.

I imagine your cat will learn how to manage his space with the pup in the house. A stair gate is a really good idea. We have one already because of our toddler. We were about to get rid of it, but it's been so worthwhile keeping. I don't know about all pups but we were told not to let ours climb stairs until he's about a year old. This might be specific to labs, I'm not sure- they can have hip and hind leg problems.

Your pup won't be able to navigate the stairs for a while yet, but it will be a good idea to get a gate when the day comes.

Mner Mon 22-Feb-16 23:23:09

Ew! RE the vom and poo combo! At least the cat hadn't added to it as well. Grim! We normally have bodily organs on the doormat in the morning - that always seems to be where the cat performs his mouse dissections. Maybe the pup will help clean it up!

He is really beautiful, and the only breed we managed to agree on in the end but we'll have a long road to quelling that prey instinct and pacifying grumpy cat. I can just see the cat sitting on the sofa refusing to budge out of HIS house - that's what he normally does when DS friends are round. He gets quite agitated but refuses to see why he should make himself scarce - although he is normally an upstairs cat as well.

We looked at both Vizslas and labs - really lovely dogs - but settled on a whippet in the end.

We moved house a couple of years ago and never quite managed to put the stairgates back up (DS was 2 when we moved, 4 now). DS has been wanting the stairgates up for ages as he sees them in other people's houses. Luckily we still have them!

fitflopqueen Mon 22-Feb-16 23:25:03

we are 2 weeks ahead of you,
Our pup cried a little the first night in the crate - had a teddy with mum's smell on.
Currently doing last wee at about 11pm then settle her in, I left radio on low and very dim lighting, I tend to wake up about 4ish so go and take her outside then, very quick, carry her straight back into crate and she is ok till 7ish.
No small kids here so she gets the attention first thing, outside for 10 mins then some breakfast for her and tea for me, I leave her in kitchen with door shut whilst I shower etc.
We put our stairgate up this morning as she discovered the stairs over the weekend and is very confident. (aldi have some at the moment).
Also have a cat who is starting to get a little calmer after a week but still gives her death stares when she is desperate to be friends with him, he stays out of her way but is getting more interested and will come and observe when we are outside.
Last week was a bit of a haze but I am getting a routine now and it is much better when everyone else is out as pup is then a bit calmer and will sleep for longer during the day.
Good luck, hard work but they are so heart warming.

Mner Mon 22-Feb-16 23:40:50

Mornings are just going to be mental. Sometimes DH has to leave early, and it's already difficult to get DS ready/out of the house to preschool (very easily distracted!).

I'm obviously going to have to get up a little earlier to fit everything in before I take him out. But then you think, if I get up earlier, the dog gets up earlier, the cat gets up earlier, maybe DS gets up earlier. It doesn't necessarily solve the problem of getting out of the house!

We're hoping that it will help DS (only child) be a little bit more independent in terms of having to sort more out for himself and stop us from trying to do everything for him because it's easier. And he'll have to help out with the dog.

Thankfully, I work from home so can get on top of things again when I get back from DS's drop off. I just need to get everyone sorted and out of the house, and then some sort of calmness can resume (as calm as it will be with a puppy!)

bigbutsrus1 Tue 23-Feb-16 07:04:34

How funny we are getting a whippet pup in two weeks time too! So we really will be in exactly the same boat! Mner if you don't mind me asking where in country are you getting your pup from? Could be from the same litter!! We have a bossy little Burmese cat who is 11 years old. Think things could be interesting!!

Mner Tue 23-Feb-16 10:53:02

Lovely whippets! I have PM'd you bigbut

ATailofTwoKitties Tue 23-Feb-16 20:21:58

Our routine was :

First night, get up once to pup. Announce proudly to rest of family in morning how amazing it is that I only had to get up once. Discover that every other member of family has also got up once.
Second night, set alarm for 2 a.m., come downstairs to discover woozy pup just about awake enough for a wee.
Third night, forget to set alarm, find pup still asleep at 7 in the morning.

I strongly suspect this is pure beginner's luck. We've never had a dog before and I think she's going gently on us!

ATailofTwoKitties Tue 23-Feb-16 20:22:43

Oh, and our elderly cat does a splendid line in puppy training. One look and the pup sits down submissively.

Mner Wed 24-Feb-16 17:38:59

Wow! I can only dream that that could be us!

Have you guys got cat flaps? How do you manage with it? The cat would LOVE it if we were to block the cat flap and become his personal door slaves. Not sure I could take it as he'd probably keep changing his mind on whether he wants in or out!

ATailofTwoKitties Wed 24-Feb-16 19:49:20

We don't have cat flaps. One cat is too doddery to push through them and the other tries to open them towards herself (being more than a bit dim). Besides, the pup is currently smaller than the cats!

What currently happens is the cat stands outside the door doing the Silent Reproachful Mew, and the puppy rushes earnestly to the doormat and yelps to tell me that the cat needs my attention.

bigbutsrus1 Wed 24-Feb-16 21:13:15

Didn't think about the cat flap! Do you think an 8 week whippet will fit out of it?

Mner Wed 24-Feb-16 21:18:35

I hope not but maybe. We have got a lock type thing on it but the cat had been known to hurl himself at it if he can't get through.

He hates the thing, uses the doors and windows at every opportunity but that doesn't mean we're allowed to close it.

I guess those microchip cat flaps would work but trying really hard not to spend too much money especially as the cat isn't microchipped!

Mner Wed 24-Feb-16 21:19:46

And the collar recognition ones would be useless as he loses his collars on all the time!

Lancelottie Wed 24-Feb-16 22:26:37

It's really cheap to microchip a cat, and if he leaves home temporarily in a huff when the puppy arrives, you might find it useful.

Mner Thu 25-Feb-16 08:10:40

DH has always been dead set against microchipping him even though he can't keep a collar on for more than a week!

He seems more amenable this morning after watching some videos on YouTube of youngish whippets squeezing through cat flaps!

Lancelottie Thu 25-Feb-16 09:12:42

The chips are tiny (our kitten was chipped by CPL before we got her, for instance, and you couldn't tell where it had been done even though she was a minute little scrap of a thing). Having once lost a cat and never found out what happened to him, I'd get him done.

(The cat, that is, not your DH.)

Lancelottie Thu 25-Feb-16 09:14:25

Our neighbour's springer spaniel pups could definitely get through a catflap at 2 to 3 months old.

Mner Thu 25-Feb-16 11:59:14

I've found a drop in thing that'll do it for free. Maybe they'll do DH as well wink

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